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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Mar 10, 2016 - 05:26pm PT
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poles
Polls.
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Norton
Social climber
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Mar 10, 2016 - 05:45pm PT
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Very presidential.
but Donald said the other day that he would be Presidential when he took office
so no reason to rush into acting Presidential, gotta be tiring
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Mar 10, 2016 - 06:02pm PT
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Mar 10, 2016 - 06:38pm PT
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^Dems are diggin' it.
The godfather of all elections:
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Mar 10, 2016 - 07:10pm PT
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My next futuristic prediction
Everyone that endorsed Trump will be toxic
Christy, Ben Carson, a couple others
it sucks to make bad choices
Rubio is out
Only Cruz and Kasich are left
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Mar 10, 2016 - 07:13pm PT
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My prediction: The Craigster's head is going to explode.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Mar 10, 2016 - 07:36pm PT
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My prediction: haters get a historic drubbing.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 11, 2016 - 08:24am PT
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HG2 Wrote:
What do you think Khris Kristofferson meant when he wrote "Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose," and how does that equate with your definition of the word "freedom?"
I'm sorry, I don't understand the reference so I'm not sure how to answer. Maybe you can explain more of what you mean?
TE Wrote:
At what time since 1776 do you believe the entire population of the United States (not just educated, white, christian, heterosexual males) was most free?
Do you honestly believe President Trump will do a single thing to bring us closer to that mythological time?
Firstly, I think you have me confused with a Trump supporter. The man is no different than every other Dem and Rep candidate. A ego-maniacal gold digger that puts their own personal success well above the needs of the US citizens. Essentially a non-statesmen and consistent with the rest of our elected officials from top to bottom just about.
As embarrassing as it is, the benefit Donald Trump brings to the table is showing our political process for just what it is and the fact that members of the established elected elite are being shown for what they truly are.
That being said, regarding your other question......
I am of the opinion that every single day in this country we, as a people, are less free than we were yesterday. I think that is a true statement for my entire life (I'm in my 40s). And I am confident that I could prove it. There might be a day or two when we held steady, but that would be it. Some days were little freedom bites with localized impact, others were massive with national importance. But the steady encroachment is quite real.
Its tough to spot the exact moment when we started this collective slide but I would probably have to say it was in the 50s or 60s. In truth, the government has been encroaching since the ink dried on the Constitution but the pace of change pivoted dramatically and that's that spot I'm speaking of. There were some big bites early on, like the NFA in 1934 for example. Maybe those were the opening salvos?
An important element worth noting, regarding the qualifications you placed on the question pertaining to race, gender, religious and sexual orientation. I think they are totally appropriate to the broad discussion of freedom in our country. However, I believe it has to be taken in context of the overall encroachment of individual liberty and the assault on freedom our government has been carrying out.
To say that an uneducated black, jewish and gay man is more free today is great, but that's only in the context of how less free the entire populace is, including that man.
To be clear, I am not claiming that the collective freedom somehow suffers when certain parts of it become more free.
What I'm saying is the bar of freedom is falling for everyone, including whatever minorities you might mention.
In business terms it would be like getting a larger share of a shirking market.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Mar 11, 2016 - 08:32am PT
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The Chump hasn't done his homework...His tent is a small one and his agenda ( making America great ? ) ambiguous...You can't win votes with that approach...The Messicans would be smart to help build a wall to keep Stupid Americans out...
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Mar 11, 2016 - 08:45am PT
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Its tough to spot the exact moment when we started this collective slide but I would probably have to say it was in the 50s or 60s.
So after Brown v. Board of Education and the Civil Rights Act of 1964, we were less free?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Mar 11, 2016 - 08:57am PT
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The lame dude sucker punching the black guy at the Trump rally ...
That dude was so lame, he didn't have the courage to actually punch the guy--he hit him with his elbow. A real mama's boy.
This whole thing about political correctness, energized by FOX News, has people thinking that showing kindness to others is a sign of weakness. You get folks like this dude, who think that they can express their bigotry and racism on their sleeve, and it's cool because, hey, why should I be politically correct?
Yeah, the GOP has brought this upon themselves.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 11, 2016 - 08:59am PT
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Not surprisingly, this concept is lost on many.
To say that an uneducated black, jewish and gay man is more free today is great, but that's only in the context of how less free the entire populace is, including that man.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Mar 11, 2016 - 09:34am PT
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Escopeta, please explain how less free the populace is today. That concept is lost on me, you are right, and I'd like to be less in the dark.
Thanks in advance for the time you put into explaining this.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Mar 11, 2016 - 09:48am PT
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Escopeta posted Not surprisingly, this concept is lost on many.
Please enumerate the ways I am less free now than I would have been 50 years ago.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Mar 11, 2016 - 09:56am PT
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has people thinking that showing kindness to others is a sign of weakness.
A lot of the right wing B.S. reminds me of schoolyard bullies. Act tough, be aggressive, that's strength. No true strength is being fair, kind, and respectful, but standing your ground when appropriate. It the words of that terrible Patrick Swayze movie, be nice, until it's time to not be nice. Trump wanting to murder the families of terrorists shows what a coward he is. America is strong enough to defeat it's enemies without resorting to the dirty tactics the terrorists use. THAT is strength.
and re: freedom I've posted this quote before but it's too good to not repeat:
Your right to swing your arms ends just where the other man's nose begins.
We haven't lost much true freedom, if any I'd like to hear some examples. We have more restrictions, but that's mostly based on protecting other people's rights and freedoms.
Some smokers are the perfect example. They complain about their freedom to smoke being taken away, when the restrictions are about keeping them from imposing their smoke on other people. They can smoke all they want if they do it where it doesn't impact other people.
Add: I do sympathize with some folks. Like the religious bakers who don't want to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple, but really there's no difference in that and the discrimination of not allowing black people to eat at a restaurant. It's discrimination and if you allow it in some circumstances you have to allow it in all circumstances and pretty soon you can discriminate against anyone for anything and people can't find places to live or eat.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Mar 11, 2016 - 10:11am PT
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Werner, you've been living in a walled police state of your own choosing for 40 years.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Mar 11, 2016 - 10:28am PT
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Mmmmmm the "I know everything by saying nothing" retort. Come on, Werner. Say something subtantive.
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