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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jul 19, 2018 - 08:01pm PT
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THE CLEAR VIEW IS;
TRUMP 2020
Norton,,,, He is ur Daddy!!!
Edit; vvvvvv Naw, their gunna make their own planet😂
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jul 19, 2018 - 09:04pm PT
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And maybe pigs will fly & Cosmic will climb once again?
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jul 19, 2018 - 09:06pm PT
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What are the odds of Trump fulfilling his campaign promise of great cheap medical insurance for everyone? First term or second term?
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2018 - 09:24pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Norton suggested that both people put the cash up, now, to be held by a third party who can be trusted.
A contract just gives someone legal standing to sue another person, and can be basically worthless if the intent is to defraud. Even if you win a lawsuit, and obtain a judgement, there is the entirely separate issue of collecting the money.
It would be ironic if a wager on the 2020 election resulted in someone welshing, in the manner that Trump has repeatedly done over the years.
A bank manager might be able to set up an escrow account to hold the funds.
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Why would a wager between two people be an illegal bet?
Would it be classified the same way as a craps game, or a slot machine?
EDIT: Apparently, it is illegal for two people to wager on an uncertain event. I suspect it is one of the most frequently violated laws in America.
If the wagering contract was structured, instead, as an insurance contract, then it can be a valid, enforceable contract. The bank would agree to hold the funds, pending a payment to indemnify a sufferer of an insured casualty.
The insured interest would have to be structured in an unusual manner.
For example, the person betting on Trump could be paid to offset potentially catastrophic destruction of their personal property, in the event he wins in 2020. And, vice versa, for the person betting against Trump.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jul 19, 2018 - 09:29pm PT
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No way a bank will get involved with that. A contract to bet is illegal and illegal contracts can not be enforced in the courts. A trusted third party might be best, Neebraun? hahaha.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Jul 19, 2018 - 09:34pm PT
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Putin should become POTUS.
But Werner, Putin would shut down YOSAR.
If Trump wins
hey window washer, you don't seem so sure.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jul 19, 2018 - 09:44pm PT
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I wouldn't take that bet. The percentage of Republicans who still support Trump--despite EVERY outright lie, empty promise, window dressing executive act, racist comment and outright hostility to our system of government and democratic values--is appalling. They have made such false bogeymen of Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and the poor Mexican working some crap job for $8 an hour that they'd cheerily rather support a clueless demagogue than expect him to act competently or, now, act in support of their own country. The Trump presidency confirms that Republicans have no moral or political values. They just want to be in charge, country be damned.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2018 - 10:03pm PT
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I wouldn't take that bet.
With Putin having skin in the American election game, there are too many additional variables, and too many potential scenarios that have never been seen in America before.
Whatever was normal for presidential elections in the past will no longer be relevant if Putin and Trump remain conjoined, pubis to coccyx.
Unless Dr. Mueller can separate the Siamese twins, the 2020 election will go to Trump.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jul 19, 2018 - 10:20pm PT
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Tom, my assessment was not based on other efforts to rig the system, like gerrymandering, Faux News and internet trolling (which the Russian hackers admitted was not gobbled up by Democrats), though those are clearly factors. It was based on the wilful resistance of the Republicans to see or acknowledge basic facts, or to understand, let alone care about the negative impact that Trump is having on things once taken for granted: a free press, an independent judiciary, etc., etc. But then the Germans loved Hitler too.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2018 - 11:46pm PT
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Forget giving the Young Conniving Attorney 25%.
Both parties arrive at a bank, and open a safe-deposit box that requires both of them to be there in order to open it. The $10k goes inside the box.
After the election, they both go back to the bank, shake hands, and somebody walks off with the cash.
The potential downside is that the loser could, in spite, refuse to show up, so that the cash languishes, unrecoverable, in the box until it is taken by the State as being abandoned.
There has to be some degree of trust in any human interaction.
And, that is exactly why Donald Trump is so repellent - he can't be trusted, at all.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 20, 2018 - 01:42am PT
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What are the odds of Trump fulfilling his campaign promise of great cheap medical insurance for everyone? First term or second term?
BwaHaHa! Sitting in the ER in Stockholm (not for me, sorry).
The bill is SEK 3500/ $392!
They’re joking, right? Don’t they know they’re leaving money on the table?
And awesome free Wifi!
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Jul 20, 2018 - 03:44am PT
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I was just reading some of my remarks about some of you people. I do apologise, some of what I had to say was uncalled for. I usually do not go in for ad hominem attacks. I certainly didn't cover myself in glory.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 20, 2018 - 06:45am PT
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Yeah, braj, almost slipped a disc laughing when I saw the bill! Wanna know the best part?
“You can pay us online when you get home.”
😳 BwaHaHaHaHa!!!!!!
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 20, 2018 - 06:47am PT
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BwaHaHa! Sitting in the ER in Stockholm (not for me, sorry).
The bill is SEK 3500/ $392!
They’re joking, right? Don’t they know they’re leaving money on the table?
And awesome free Wifi!
Socialism sucks. doesn't it?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 20, 2018 - 06:50am PT
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Really! It ain’t right that a nice dinner only costs as much as an ER visit!
And check out what the socialists are driving!
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Jul 20, 2018 - 07:11am PT
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Yesterday Republicans quietly voted down increased funding for electoral cyber security for States.
Meanwhile they work their asses off to get legitimate voters off the rolls and create hurdles for minority and financially challenged voters.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jul 20, 2018 - 07:55am PT
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392 for dinner,man.
That is some rugged individualism,right there.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Jul 20, 2018 - 09:02am PT
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All over cable news now
FBI has an audio tape of Trump and his fixer lawyer Cohen talking about a payment to a Playboy bunny to shut her up
the party of Family Values strikes again
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jul 20, 2018 - 09:12am PT
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FBI has an audio tape of Trump and his fixer lawyer Cohen talking about a payment to a Playboy bunny to shut her up
I wonder what else they have, now we know why Trump was in such a panic about the Cohen raid. If the alleged conversation happened around the campaign time it could be a finance law violation.
I gots your right wing spin job right here
"Trump is a man of integrity who takes care of his obligations, up to and including getting an abortion for his prostitutes."
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 20, 2018 - 09:59am PT
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Trump can't win in 2020 if they can't find a place to hold the convention, right?
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-charlotte-rnc-20180720-story.html
As Americans fought in recent weeks over whether restaurants should refuse to serve top aides to President Trump, an entire city has been debating what it means to host his convention for reelection.
Charlotte was set to win the rights to the 2020 Republican National Convention on Friday. But that's largely because it faced little serious competition. And even before the victory was to be announced in Austin, Texas, this thriving, progressive urban island in the Trump-friendly South was suffering some buyer's remorse.
Charlotte Mayor Vi Lyles, a Democrat, says the decision to host the convention has been the hardest she has tackled — "not just as a mayor but as a mom and as a friend" to her community.
To quell anger from her constituents, she has vowed that she will not deliver a welcome speech, an extraordinary break from custom. Other local leaders are going further, promising to use the occasion to speak out against Trump.
...The Republican Party's difficulty in finding a host for the 2020 convention speaks both to the nation's polarization in the Trump era and to the diminishing support for Republicans in cities that have the capacity to manage large-scale events. Even in Republican-dominated states, big cities have grown more culturally diverse and Democratic, with many residents seeing themselves as targets of Trump's anti-immigration measures, divisive racial rhetoric and social policy attacks.
...Some cited security concerns. There was also talk of Trump's popularity with white nationalists, of his child separation policy at the border and of the need to resist "normalizing this hateful man" and keeping the "Trump train and its garbage" out of the city.
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