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Escopeta
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Idaho
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May 19, 2016 - 12:05pm PT
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Is it just me or is anyone else enjoying the Dems turning on each other and talking about how the convention is gonna be a sh#t show after all the rhetoric about the GOP falling apart and such?
Turns out, your poop stinks too.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 19, 2016 - 12:07pm PT
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"Is it just me or is anyone else enjoying the Dems turning on each other and talking about how the convention is gonna be a sh#t show after all the rhetoric about the GOP falling apart and such?'
We get Bernie or Hillary, you are stuck with Trump.
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Norton
Social climber
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May 19, 2016 - 12:14pm PT
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Sure, the huge speaking fees bother me.
and yet, that does not bother me in the very least
Hillary Clinton was a private citizen when she was invited by very rich bankers to come and speak to them, she had the same right as anyone else in America to do that
a couple hundred thousand dollars to speak at a Goldman Sachs luncheon?
sounds like really good money for a couple of hours - to you and me, easy to be jealous
Goldman Sachs invites and pay many people to come and speak to them, nothing "special" about Hillary doing so
and Goldman makes after expense profits on billions of dollar a year, 200K is chump change to them
now IF you can point to ANY vote, any action of Mrs Clinton's that has benefited Goldman since then you can make a case for "influence peddling", now do so if you would
and if you can't then just continue to be jealous of easy money, stand in line however because you there are many in front of you
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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May 19, 2016 - 12:56pm PT
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Have you ever captured a lizard using a long blade of grass? You tie a noose in one end, and if the grass is long enough, the lizard is not distracted by you approaching it. You can be sloppy with the noose banging on his head as you adjust it around his neck. He just sits there. And then when you get it over his neck, you can just pick him up and he never struggled to get away until it was too late.
I'm really beginning to like this NutAgain guy. Good analogy. I have the same basic view.
Edit; I already like moose. you know in the platonic sense so don't get too excited.
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dirtbag
climber
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May 19, 2016 - 12:58pm PT
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A huge turn-out of Green Party voters would help the Democratic party realize they need to seriously embrace the issues and values that are causing a lot of people to not support Hillary.
How did that work out for the country and Democratic Party 2001-2009?
It has a similar dynamic to Republicans courting the Tea Party or the religious vote- both Dem and Repub are cobbled together coalitions of people with different values.
How is that working out for the country and Republican Party now?
Bernie as President doesn't solve this. Just like Nevada isn't about adding up the couple delegate difference. Again, it is about nurturing the will of the fickle populace to feel empowered and fight back against injustices.
Injustice? Hillary won Nevada.
Bernie supporters seem to overlook the fact that most Democratic Party voters have not voted for him. Rally sizes don't matter.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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May 19, 2016 - 01:02pm PT
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In fact about the only thing I remember for any of the conventions recently was Clint Eastwood talking to an empty chair. That's memorable sh#t right there.
Not for Eastwood it's not. More like early onset alzheimer's.
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dirtbag
climber
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May 19, 2016 - 01:02pm PT
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hat's why he is winning in the polls against Trump.
No, it isn't. It's because he's been treated with kid gloves. A socialist cannot win a presidential election.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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May 19, 2016 - 01:07pm PT
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I think Norton cuts to the zeitgeist of this year's election in a particularly revealing way. We have a large number of voters with anger, mixed with envy, that show themselves in their votes this year. When asked the reason for that anger, they say the "establishment" (of either party) "betrayed" them, so they vote for a perceived outsider.
When you ask for specifics of the alleged betrayal, however, it often comes down to little more than their failure to get all that the angry ones wanted. This ignores, of course, the inability of any but an overwhelming majority to get anything out of government without compromise, and the angries don't come close to an overwhelming majority.
Thus, when you ask them why they dislike Hillary, don't be surprised that it has little to do with her political preferecnes or positions, and more to do with envy and her peceived status as an "insider." After suffering through the unfettered dominance of angries in my own party, I have sympathy for the realists among the Democrats. Anger doesn't lend itself to rational discourse.
John
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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May 19, 2016 - 01:17pm PT
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Where is Ralph Nader and his "movement"?
Would the world be different if Al Gore had been elected President in 2000? Would we have invaded Iraq?
Bernie should (and, hopefully, will) suspend his campaign June 8th, congratulate Hillary and work to bring the party together to defeat Trump. If his movement is real, he can move it forward as a senator.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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May 19, 2016 - 01:23pm PT
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He's taking his campaign all the way to the convention. As he should.
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dirtbag
climber
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May 19, 2016 - 01:28pm PT
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Lol locker!
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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May 19, 2016 - 01:28pm PT
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He's taking his campaign all the way to the convention. As he should.
Unfortunately, he's accomplishing nothing more than stroking his own ego at this point.
Curt
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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May 19, 2016 - 01:38pm PT
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Would the world be different if Al Gore had been elected President in 2000? Would we have invaded Iraq?
We all know Gore would not have invaded Iraq. That's for sure. I'm not convinced Gore would last two terms so the Iraq invasion just gets delayed by 4 years. Maybe Shrub is the nominee maybe not. Doesn't matter - the puppet master Cheney takes control at some point. It's not like stupid gets fixed with a Gore presidency. But basically business as usual. Little tic-toc back and forth pendulum swings. We probably don't get the first black president. and perhaps 911 doesn't happen. Drumpf never becomes significant (f*#king Gore -it's his fault! I mean Jeb.)
Short of it is nothing changes.
This is why I see Drumpf as an excellent long-term solution. At least he sets the pendulum ball up to swing wildly to left. Final nail in the coffin of the GOP and the apes take over the planet. Or progressives bury the regressives and we all live happily ever after.
And there will be music.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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May 19, 2016 - 01:51pm PT
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Yep, Escopeta, there is a lot of unhappy people in this country. The GOP fuked us up gud.
Don't worry, I'm sure a socialist or career bureaucrat will fix it.
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John M
climber
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May 19, 2016 - 02:01pm PT
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Unfortunately, he's accomplishing nothing more than stroking his own ego at the point.
not sure I agree with this. His campaign drives home the point that the establishment better wake up and listen. They certainly don't seem to hear those with grievances.
Our government is overly partisan and abusive
Our laws have gotten out of balance. Including 3 strikes. but also going all the way down to "minor" laws such as building codes and how they are enforced.
Our tax code is beyond ridiculous
Corporations are not people
campaign finances is out of control
our military is too big.. and costs too much.. and sticks its finger in too many places..
the wealthy are too powerful
I'm sure some conservatives will disagree with some of my points..
but the main point is that some points of view aren't being heard anymore. They are just glossed over. and that is happening on both sides of the aisle.
the best that can be said about hillary is that she won't build a wall??? okay.. Okay.. I do understand that she likely won't start WW3.. and Trump stands a good chance of doing that. And I would take her over just about any of the other republican candidates besides Trump, especially over Cruz, Bush, Rubio....
but my problem was that I do feel that she represents the powers that be, and I believe they are out of control and out of balance. How to attain that balance? I do not know. My core belief is that we must be inspired by God. Not religion, and certainly not by fear of God, be it religions or non religious.. But rather by Truth.
but I have no idea how to make that happen as so many people have so many false beliefs. That includes the religious. I have serious problems with the statement made by the preacher that Klimmer posted, but I don't believe he would hear anything that I had to say. And now that I have brought up the belief in God, I doubt people like Crankster could hear what I am saying either. In fact, most of the people in my own party won't be able to hear anything that I say simply because I believe in God. So now I have no party.
So how do we bring about change? Is there any hope of it? Or is it just a matter of voting for the lesser of two evils? Because if thats the case.. then that is disheartening.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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May 19, 2016 - 02:44pm PT
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John, I'm happy to listen to you.
Where we differ is the lesser of 2 evils deal. I like and support Hillary's positions on just about every issue, certainly the ones she would (will) likely face as President. I think she's one of the most qualified persons to run in a long time.
I don't care about emails, Benghazi or who Bill slept with.
I'm still not clear why Bernie's revolution dies when he loses.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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May 19, 2016 - 02:59pm PT
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How did that work out for the country and Democratic Party 2001-2009?
It worked out quite well for the nation in the '20s and '30s.It forced the Democrats and FDR to move to the left, resulting in not only saving the capitalists from themselves but also producing an era of more widespread prosperity than we see today.
It will work that way again, unless people continue to vote against their, and the nation's, best interest.
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Norton
Social climber
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May 19, 2016 - 03:08pm PT
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It will work that way again, unless people continue to vote against their, and the nation's, best interest.
which they will continue to do again and again
because clinging to God and Guns, and hating Gays are their real self interests
that, and proudly displaying their bigotry, racism, and misogyny with Trump stickers on their pickups, right pyro?
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dirtbag
climber
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May 19, 2016 - 03:11pm PT
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You didn't answer the question Gary. :-)
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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May 19, 2016 - 03:14pm PT
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Norton +1
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