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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Fracking Warmist morons!
The bacteria in your bathtub drain have no control
over the temperature of the water; same as humans have no control
over the atmospheres temp.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Insurance companies aren't doing any of the above to make money off of climate change - they're are simply getting beat to death by the scale of the claims with nothing on the horizon but more of the same.
And as they bail from market after market the call will be for the feds to pick up the slack which will hopefully bring up the whole question of why the feds bankrolled strand beach development up and down the length of the east coast to begin with. It's not like the results on those beaches is a surprise.
Excerpt from a research report from Munich Re (a large reinsurer with $236B in assets who 'insures' the insurance companies) [ from www.propertycasualty360.com ]:
October 18, 2012 [ note: four days before Sandy became a Hurricane ] - The reinsurance industry, which takes on some of the risks underwritten by insurers, faced its second-costliest natural catastrophe year on record in 2011 after a spate of disasters generated a claims bill of $116 billion.
Munich Re said reinsurers should prepare to face more weather-disaster claims in the future and seek to mitigate the losses the industry is experiencing.
Reinsurers can do this by raising premiums, and Munich Re also called for more measures, such as better risk modelling capabilities, tighter building regulations and better flood management.
The study showed the number of weather-related loss events in North America nearly quintupled in the past three decades, compared with an increase factor of four in Asia, 2.5 in Africa, two in Europe and 1.5 in South America.
Hurricane Katrina was the deadliest event and the insurance industry's most costly natural disaster, leading to more than $40 billion of claims, after it struck New Orleans in 2005.
Munich Re said that until now socio-economic factors such as population growth in urban areas had accounted for rising insured losses, but their records showed evidence that climate change was leading to an increase in natural catastrophes.
This is the case particularly in North America, where the climate is ripe for tropical cyclones, thunderstorms, winter storms, tornadoes, wildfires, drought and flood.
Over the last 31 years, 43 percent of insured property windstorm losses ($180 billion) were caused by severe thunderstorms - triggered by climate change, said Munich Re.
"Previously, there had not been such a strong chain of evidence," said Peter Höppe, head of Munich Re's Geo Risks Research unit.
These guys are as dry and conservative as they get (and are even 10% owned by Warren Buffet who doesn't buy AGW) but money talks in undeniable ways and is clearly making the case for them.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 2, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
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healyje, I've also posted articles that show how large insurance companies admit they have to scale in response to climate change.
Now if you don't believe those folks know their statistics and projections for future events, then you must be one of those por bois (or gals) from the back woods.
Now it's time to hear again from The Chief, who has proven he can blow at hurricane force.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 2, 2012 - 04:36pm PT
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The Chief, the goal isn't stopping what is already in motion. The goal is to find a way to lessen the problems that will surround us if we 1) don't admit that we have a problem and 2) figure out what will happen if we do nothing about said problem.
Remember, the first step to solving any problem is admitting that the problem exists.
As for stopping Sandy--I'd rather hear about what we can do to keep The Chief from posting mindless drivel.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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The Chief: Bullshit!
Local Example.... Just last May, the local BLM re-established a 100 yr flood zone warning just down the road from my community. Three days later I was told by a neighbor that resides in that new established flood zone that he received a notice from his Insurance company that his "flood insurance" portion of his home owners policy has been raised from $45 dollars annually to $275 SEMI ANNUALLY!
That's because, just like we constantly update and improve navigation charts now that we have satellites, the BLM is constantly improving the resolution and accuracy of there flood zones. It isn't a mystery or conspiracy, but rather just an effort by the government and the insurance industry to better align policies and premiums with actual risks and potential losses.
The Chief:Just imagine what the premiums for any kind of flood and disaster insurance are going to be now for all the millions along the east coast after this storm and all you "warmist" screaming GW! 75% of all them folks will no longer be able to have any insurance, period! Why? Cus they will not be able to afford it.
When a building gets wrecked in a storm the expectation is someone is going to pay for repairs or replacement. And that's the whole f*#king point of that part of the discussion - as you say the risk is real, the damage widespread, and likely to be repeated in the near future - what to do about it and who pays is the issue. 'Self-reliance' and 'small government' sure go out the door pretty damn quick when it's your house or your business at risk.
And you're right - some folks may end up without insurance in the long run. In the long run we may have to abandon and cede land that was developed that never should have been developed in the first place. All those strand beach communities and east Long Island Shore mansions - how much do you want to pay out of your pocket to sustain them over the next 10, 20, 50 years because that's the reality. They are and will only be sustained by national flood insurance.
The National Flood Insurance Act of 1968 was established in the wake of Hurricane Betsy. Good intent, but the net result has been to spur development in flood zones which then puts the federal government on the hook for massive losses. Again, funny just how selective people can be when it comes to "small government" and "getting government out of our lives".
And note that NFI has about reached the level of it's authorization and that means it will have to be bumped up significantly in the near future. Do you eat the difference or should the premiums go up on folks with at-risk property?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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At this point I have to bow out - the chief is absolutely irrational on so many of his talking points I can't keep up with it all when reason and data are lost on him. This is the exact persona which drives the Tea Party, far rightwing groups, and religious fundamentalists. Sad in so many ways.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 2, 2012 - 05:31pm PT
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The real problem is not CC. The real problem is that humans continue to expand, live and build along coast lines.
The Chief, are you trying to tell us that the drought that hit our food belt is along the East Coast boarder?
The 2012 North American Drought is a record-breaking expansion of the 2010–2012 Southern United States drought which began in the spring of 2012, when the record-shattering lack of snow in the United States caused very little meltwater to absorb into the soil.[1]
Please clarify...
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 2, 2012 - 05:47pm PT
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Well I agree with you there, The Chief. Earthquakes and volcanoes don't have much to do with CC. Should I try to figure out what your point is there? Especially in response to my posting of the drought graph.
Not unexpected though. When you are proven wrong, you start blowing harder and double down on stupidity.
Go to bed The Chief--you're not making any friends, or positive impressions, by your off-base rantings. [And yes, I know. You'll come back with some more chest-thumping and ranting. We know your MO. So don't think I'll be taken aback or surprised by your inane response.]
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 2, 2012 - 05:54pm PT
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This is the exact persona which drives the Tea Party, far rightwing groups, and religious fundamentalists. Sad in so many ways.
healyje, this is the truth that we have to live with. Like my cousin who says that Fox News is the only station that doesn't lie, so when I try to point out their obvious falsehoods, it's like talking to a wall. You can't open their minds one bit to begin to show them the truth.
And the problem is they are bringing us all down with them.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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It's funny how Chief Petty Skirt turns himself into the center of any thread he enters.
This thread has been Chiefified.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Ed, I was thinking specifically of your thought on the Widom-Larsen's take on LENR. And on the NIF I had heard that even if you got more than breakeven on an individual pellet, that it will be close to impossible to cycle pellets through it at a rate that would be commercially viable - do you agree with that or do you think it's a difficult yet doable proposition.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Well Bub, neither has anything whatsoever to do with AGW, it was an aside in the conversation. Jesus, you're like a rabid dog, dude. Get a grip.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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If the shoe fits...
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 2, 2012 - 08:06pm PT
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Funny, I didn't realize that I had an agenda when I posted the OP.
The Chief, if you talked to me in person the way you do here, you bet I would call you a jackass--straight to your face. And I'd be right, because you play the part of a jackass all too well.
When you say that others react to your posts the way they do because they can hide behind the internet, it makes it sound like you don't change the way you address people when you talk to them in person. Which would be too bad, because if you talk in person the way that you do here on SuperTopo, you wouldn't have any real friends. I can say this because I see how you treat somebody like Ed, who is as patient as a saint with you. He still gets your blow-hard attitude. And people, even if they are "friends," don't put up with that that for long.
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dirtbag
climber
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But please do continue:
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Not cool. You should take that sheet down immediately.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Chief I saw that Dr. F removed his post. As far as I could see he gave you a ringing endorsement. It did have your full name but was basically an advertisement that you kind of kick ass (my opinion of your experience). I do disagree with your stance on climate change and I also disagree with your posting Dr. F's full name, address and contact info. It doesn't rise to the level of a threat but it does imply that he should think of his safety from anyone who disagrees with his politics.
Like Largo says if your a climber your probably getting a hug from me...let's try to remember we have more in common than we have different from one another + we have to share the planet with everybody--even those we disagree with.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 3, 2012 - 11:08am PT
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Time will tell how we speak together.
Ed, thanks for reminding us of what is really important.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Chief-Gunny... we're going to be talking behind your back now on this post and you won't have a chance to defend yourself...Sure you don't want to come back to help with the good denial fight...? RJ
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 3, 2012 - 02:47pm PT
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The Chief, I thought you were signing off from this thread. Too bad you resorted to posting more opinions based on nonsense.
If you care to hear the other side, I have this, a direct response to the article you posted:
Hostility towards scientific consensus: A sign of a crank
It has often been written on this blog and elsewhere that the mark of a true crank is hatred of the scientific consensus, be it consensus regarding the theory of evolution, the science that says homeopathy is impossible, anthropogenic global warming; various areas of science-based medicine; or the safety and efficacy of vaccines.
It doesn't matter though. This will likely cause you to spew more hate.
Get it?
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