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Karl Baba
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Yosemite, Ca
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philo,
I know it's difficult to admit that one is wrong on a topic, but the time has come for you. But, the above article that you just read asserts that you are completely wrong.
Karl Baba sent me an email last week that he was wrong on an issue and I was right.
What a crock! I thought it was only fair not to burst Fatty's bubble but if I told him years ago I didn't trust the dollar and, after HUGE downturns of the dollar following that, it gets strong one in awhile, or another currency gets weak, what does that prove!??
I'll make a prediction right now, there will be a big rally in the stock market and also a precipitous decline sometime during the next 6 years, not necessarily in that order
Peace
Karl
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Hey Fat-bro
If a guy had invested in the Euro back when we started talking about this, say about late 2005, early 2006, he would have been ahead for the past 3-4 years the whole time and would still be breaking even. An investor in the dollar would only be coming back to even, with no interest. Hardly time to gloat yet.
Look at the chart and see the victory of the dollar, breaking even after a number of years
http://tinyurl.com/23eeqyc
PEace
karl
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MikeL
climber
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Away from this forum now for about 18 months or so.
I can't tell if it's a good thing or a bad thing that things (other than the format) haven't changed much around here.
Oh well.
Be well,
MikeL
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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So Fats, what justification will you give when the IDF gives the same treatment to the upcoming Flotilla sponsored by Ireland.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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philo, just curious, why no attacks on egypt? they also are blockading gaza...do you support egyptism (as in zionism)? both egypt and israel invited the flotilla to dock in their ports and offered to transport any humanitarian supplies into gaza...why did the flotilla reject both invitations? why no attacks on cyprus, who refused to allow the flotilla to dock in their ports?
your criticism seems to be unfairly directed toward israel
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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You mean any criticism directed at Israel is unfair.
Previous activists killed by Israel
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/05/2010531133245383565.html
Rachel Corrie was killed by an Israeli army bulldozer in Gaza on 16 March, 2003, as she tried to stop it demolishing a Palestinian home.
The family of the US activist blames the Israeli military for her death and is forcing the country to defend itselfin court.
Tom Hurndall was a 21-year-old photojournalism student who travelled to the Gaza Strip as part of the International Solidarity Movement.
He was shot in the head in April 2003 by an Israeli army sniper while trying to rescue Palestinian children in the street.
He never regained consciousness and died nine months later in a London hospital.
British cameraman James Miller,34, was shot dead by another soldier from the same Israeli unit just a mile away three weeks later.
He was in Rafah while making a documentary for a US cable channel.
An autopsy confirmed he was almost certainly killed by an Israeli soldier, despite the army's assertions to the contrary.
Video evidence clearly showed Miller and his team carrying white flags and shouting to Israeli soldiers that they were British journalists.
Tristan Anderson,38, had three brain operations after being shot in the head with a high-velocity tear gas canister by Israeli security forces on 13 March 2009.
Anderson, who survived with major brain damage, was in the West Bank village of Nilin, protesting with Palestinian farmers against the construction of Israel's "separation wall".
And Let's not forget the latest targeted international, American Emily Henochowicz, also shot deliberately and directly in the face with a high velocity tear gas canister by an IDF coward.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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not exactly on topic but related...the welterweight champion of the world is a jew who immigrated to israel from hungary...he trained in an ARAB gym in israel...that's right, a gym owned and operated by ARABS...in ISRAEL...why would arabs want to live in israel? maybe because of the freedom to practice their religion and vote and criticize the government and get an education and start a business...yep, sounds like a nation that should be eliminated and replaced with a palestinian government that offers...wait...well...there has to be something...little help here...
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Here is a question for Blue, Skip, and the gang.
In all the years of the thousands of deadly missiles launched daily from Gaza to rain death and terror on innocent Israeli settlers, exactly how many dead and wounded are there? How much damage (in Dollars) was caused?
Since Hamas rockets are such a huge issue for you it seems you should have those statistics readily available. So tell us just how much death and destruction was caused and why that should justify a strangle hold on Gaza?
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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So, I made your case by presenting the facts regarding the deliberate targeting of internationals. WTF?
Or by trying to get you all to acknowledge the subterfuge that the rocket fire has been?
Why not tell us how much death and destruction all those millions of rockets actually caused?
And you are saying that the IDF will stop the next flotilla simply because the flag ship from Ireland is called the Rachell Corrie? Are the Israelis embarrassed by the sh#t storm their bulldozer boy created?
And BookWrong, you know nothing of the current and historical realities. You only know the quazi religious narrative that has been continuously spoon fed too your waiting and vapid mind.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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no, philo, not all criticism of israel is unfair...in fact, many israelis (not to mention the rest of the world) rightly criticize their own government when they think the military goes too far
my point is that you criticize ONLY israel when egypt has its own blockade of gaza...or is that acceptable because its arabs blockading arabs?
here's a question: what if i randomly fired a gun into your house everyday...and, after a few thousand shots, you decided to shoot back, killing me...then the whole neighborhood (including your friends) came down on you for being so violent and hateful...and then you explained how i was shooting into your house everyday and you have a right to protect yourself and your family...and then your friends said, "but he didn't hit anyone"...would you apologize for killing me?
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Yeah, art students are such a threat to the security of Zionism.
And every body knows how deadly wheel chairs can be.
And God forbid the Gazans should get any medicine. We all know they would let their own kids die so the could launch syringes of penicillin at the Jews squatting on their grand dad's land.
That's rich, a Neo-con extolling the Virtues of Democrat Clinton to try and discredit a imprisoned people. Dude, why are you such an anti Semite?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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As Abba Eban, the Israeli prime minister, so nicely put it in 1973 "The Israelies never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity".
Well, sort of anyway.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Muslim behavior as a percent of population
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.
Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.
Here's how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States -- Muslim 0.6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:
Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons
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ahad aham
Trad climber
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tgt how about the zionist component?
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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http://english.moqawama.org/index.php
And just to make Fatty happy and not be one side
http://www.ict.org.il/
Even though these guys say they are the leading academic source don’t mean that they are since their about a couple hundred that claim the same thing but still need to know who is playing the game.
Deadly game
Think tanks or is it stink tanks, make your choice, same for some here in US on domestic as well as foreign policy.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Seems like Israel is giving way in terms of their blockade.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/04/world/middleeast/04flotilla.html?hp
It appears that the US government has concluded that the blockade is untenable. The Egyptian government has ended its own blockade of traffic of Gaza. The pending arrival of the next supply vessel, the Rachel Corrie, may have been the last straw. She was the American Jewish woman murdered by an Israeli bulldozer in Gaza in 2003.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Didn't you read that link to find out the reason?
Or is subterfuge and obfuscation enough?
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