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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 14, 2008 - 02:07pm PT
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Ed, I'm not dismissing him. I think several people, including you, have posted wonderful detailed explanations that were either ignored or distorted, so why bother? When he refers to those trying to explain science as "fanatics" and other not very nice terms, the discussion is pretty much over.
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hafilax
Trad climber
East Van
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Jul 14, 2008 - 02:46pm PT
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I hereby award Ed Hartouni with the "Destroyer of Quakery" badge in which the recipient never ever backs down from an argument that pits sound science against quackery.
taken from The Science Creative Quarterly
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WandaFuca
Gym climber
San Fernando Lamas
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Jul 14, 2008 - 03:02pm PT
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Blight wrote:
Darwin's idea was excellent - it appeared to fit a lot of observations and was self-consistent and convincing. So naturally as with any scientific theory, its content had to be tested. Scientists began, as anyone would, with the basics.
Can we observe one species evolving into two others?
No . . .
etc., etc.
. . . Clearly this is a problem for the theory: every attempt to reproduce the claimed mechanism has failed . . .
er, no it hasn't failed; see the numerous examples listed in this thread.
. . . The method used is ingenious: just as the experiments began by looking for big evidence and got smaller and smaller, so the evoutionists just moved the goalposts further and further and made them larger and larger so that in the end almost anything can be accepted as cast-iron evidence.
Step back, take a deep breath, and compare evolution to continental drift, and see the error of your ways.
The hypothesis that continents 'drift' was first put forward by Abraham Ortelius in 1596 and was fully developed by Alfred Wegener in 1912. However, it was not until the development of the theory of plate tectonics in the 1960s, that a sufficient geological explanation of that movement was understood. --Wikipedia
Have you ever seen a continent drift?
No? But that is what you are asking for.
As the development of plate tectonic theory is to continental drift, gene theory is to evolution.
More and more evidence accretes. Evolution is the only plausible explanation for the way the world is.
It is probably more complicated than we think; just last year researchers discovered that the human genome might not be a "tidy collection of independent genes" after all, with each sequence of DNA linked to a single function, like a predisposition to diabetes or heart disease.
Instead, genes appear to operate in a complex network, and interact and overlap with one another and with other components in ways not yet fully understood. --New York Times(7/1/07)
For evolution, this seems to imply that for every useful linear-appearing adaptation that is passed on there are a host of other changes that may lead to evolutionary right and left turns
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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Jul 14, 2008 - 04:48pm PT
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Jody,
It's all f*#ked up- just like fattys COC's.
Each side could "talk" 'till the blue in the face thing sets in.
But by definition this is a losing argument on all sides..... since faith is involved - be it faith in religion or science.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Jul 14, 2008 - 04:51pm PT
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So Jody has given up on faith?
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Jul 14, 2008 - 04:57pm PT
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Jody, kindly explain how my observation is a person attack?
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 14, 2008 - 05:04pm PT
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Yes, I'd like to hear that too.
If you read Blight's posts it's pretty obvious he doesn't like the pro-evolution crowd.
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Jul 14, 2008 - 05:17pm PT
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DMT, have you not been listening?!?!?!? God always existed.
If in the very beginning it was a Tuesday God would have existed on Monday.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 14, 2008 - 05:38pm PT
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The God of God?
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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Jul 14, 2008 - 05:46pm PT
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DMT,
When you begin to break it down when and where are really the same from a scientific standpoint, OOOPPPSSSS!!!!
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 14, 2008 - 05:54pm PT
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Sure, I was blowing them off. Because I've been blown off some, and I've seen others blown off even more.
So, since we're all engaged in blowing each other off (insert Clinton joke here__ ) this is a waste of time.
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Jul 14, 2008 - 06:19pm PT
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God has always been there. Ask Jody. he knows. Blight does too. Don't ask Ed, he might make you think and we know how that hurts our little melon's.
Edit: Sorry, should speak for myself self - I meant my little melon. I'd sure hate to have anyone think I'm personally attacking your melon.
Speaking of melon though... that watermelon I cut up is calling....
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Jul 14, 2008 - 06:25pm PT
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See....?
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Jul 14, 2008 - 06:37pm PT
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Dingus Dingus Dingus....
why you gotta harsh his buzz and ask the tough questions?
They never told him that part in Bible School.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Jul 14, 2008 - 06:45pm PT
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First God made heaven & earth 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters. 3 And God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day. 6 And God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." 7 And God made the firmament and separated the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament. And it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day. 9 And God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, "Let the earth put forth vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, upon the earth." And it was so. 12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. 14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth." And it was so. 16 And God made the two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also. 17
So the Earth was created first and the whole rest of the universe (the sun, moon, and all the billions of galaxies) had to wait until the third day? How did God invent "day" and "night" before creating the sun?
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monolith
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Jul 14, 2008 - 06:59pm PT
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Jody, why did God create evil?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 14, 2008 - 07:06pm PT
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monolith
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Jul 14, 2008 - 07:12pm PT
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So the choice did not exist until man chose it (then it was created)?
Got it.
And God did not know what man would choose.
Got it.
And there would be no love unless man chooses evil.
Got it.
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