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tTt
Social climber
right side
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Jul 19, 2010 - 03:11am PT
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here is the true:
egyptian army mad a mistake when he left big distance between second group and the third of the army (or something like that)and america knew that(i dont know by satellite or planes )then america told israele to give it the best chance ,israel went to this big hole between suez and ismaillia but Resistance kicked their ass(i hate this word) so israelian forces Surround some egyptian forces ,egypt could destroy them,but the would kill egyptians
u know whats next
any way their was a problem between the leaders
there was a man called "saad el shazly"he wanted to destroy all israelian forces but president anwar el sadat refused cuz he knew america will get in
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 19, 2010 - 01:03pm PT
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Jolly Roger,
It wouldn't really be a bad idea. Pigeons need a place to sh#t too.
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Paul Martzen
Trad climber
Fresno
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Nov 16, 2010 - 01:28pm PT
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I think the Original Post had some good points. Blowing things up seems really fun and satisfying, at least to some of the people pulling triggers and to some us looking at the pictures and videos.
But he also called it "Inefficient and overly expensive population control:"
In the long run, wars are subject to economic realities. Our war machine is extremely expensive to run. Civilians pay for it and have to be convinced it is worth paying for. As civilians become disenchanted with a war, we become less and less willing to pay for it.
Whenever I hear about multimillion dollar helicopters firing rockets worth hundreds of thousands of dollars in order to kill a few people (be they enemies or innocent bystanders), I think about how expensive and unsustainable it is (among many thoughts).
In the past, war was more clearly about plundering your neighbors. If somebody has a resource and you don't want to pay fair market value, then you can try to conquer them and just take it. But if the conquering is more expensive than the fair market value, it is not really worth it, other than just for the fun of conquering and destroying things.
One of the economic equations that I think about is this:
The 9-11 attacks were low tech and relatively cheap. Supposedly it took less than $100,000 to train 19 volunteers who were armed with box cutters costing a couple dollars each. Because of our policy of not resisting airline hijackers, those 19 men took over 4 planes and managed to hit 3 targets, So, for less than $100,000 in preparations, they destroyed 4 airplanes, killed 3,000 people, and destroyed several major buildings.
Our justification for attacking Afghanistan and Iraq is that we want to prevent a re enactment of 9-11. We have spent a few trillion dollars in that supposed goal. One hundred thousand dollars vs a few trillion and it is not at all clear that the few trillion is winning.
I don't think that the few trillion can win. I think this equation is unwinnable. I cannot win if whenever somebody spends 1 dollar to attack me, I spend 1 million dollars to defend myself.
The really crazy thing to me is that the actual defense against 9-11 was carried out by the passengers on the 4th plane.
The passengers of the 4th plane found out what was going on and realized that they, US citizens, were the first and last line of defense of their country. They realized that no government or superhero or military was going to rescue them. It was up to them to defend themselves and to defend the rest of us. They gave their lives, but it cost the rest of us nothing except the realization that we have to do the same in similar circumstances.
Since that time it is not possible to hijack an airline, because no crew or passenger will allow it. It has nothing to do with airport security. Nothing to do with killing people or blowing things up in Iraq or Afghanistan. It simply has to do with ordinary people knowing that they are responsible for the safety of their country and for those around them.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Nov 16, 2010 - 02:12pm PT
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Yes, and I had lunch with Robert Oppenheimer.
We discussed WMD and the present state of low level Republican operatives.
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Paul Martzen
Trad climber
Fresno
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Nov 16, 2010 - 04:28pm PT
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Indeed Fatrad, I will grant you this.
"There is no way to measure what the preventative value is of each missile being fired in Afghanistan is. Was that Taliban/Al-Queda member planning a bio attack on the US, we have no way of knowing."
Will you then agree that there is no way of knowing whether the result is positive or negative? Perhaps the target was not Taliban. Perhaps he was Taliban, but would have grown to be a great statesman leading the region to peace and prosperity. Perhaps he was a newspaper cameraman and a bodyguard. Perhaps he is just a soldier carrying an AK 47. Perhaps the target turns out to be Canadian soldiers. Perhaps the target was missed.
I don't think it effects the economics, though. If it costs trillions to battle thousands, eventually we run out of money or willingness.
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Nov 16, 2010 - 08:24pm PT
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I am sure glad the military industrial complex runs this country, NOT.
Just think where that money could go and the GOOD it could do.
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Pennsylenvy
Gym climber
A dingy corner in your refrigerator
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Nov 16, 2010 - 10:00pm PT
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so doesn't this video bother anyone? I want to bitchslap a couple of these people in it. Once again proof that Kobe is a complete asswipe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYC7dFBNYMQ
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 16, 2010 - 10:04pm PT
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Yeah, hard to not think of him as an opportunistic butthead after that.
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