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John Moosie

climber

Feb 24, 2008 - 04:49pm PT

"It is an observable fact of nature. Evolution requires the interaction of multiple entities"

For the being who believe he/she is the body, then this is correct.

For one who knows that the body is only a reflection of a current state of consciousness, then it is incorrect. One can evolve ones body merely by raising ones consciousness.

Edit: Werner beat me to the point.

cintune

climber

Penn's Woods

Feb 24, 2008 - 04:51pm PT

So why doesn't everyone automatically know this? Why the big secret? What exactly is the point?

WBraun

climber

Feb 24, 2008 - 04:58pm PT

So why doesn't everyone automatically know this?

We do know it, we've forgotten it and fallen under the spell of Maya (illusion) the material energy.

Now ......

The Mayavadi theory is I am God. Now I am overpowered by maya, and as soon as I become free from maya, again I become God.

If you are God, then why you became under the control of maya (illusion)?

The Mayavadi theory is the last nasty trap of the materially conditioned soul to fall into.

jstan

climber

Feb 24, 2008 - 04:59pm PT

Philosophy has amused people for millennia, but the following has always struck me. People discuss philosophy at length( for centuries) using words, without first coming to an agreement as to the definition of those words. To make matters worse the objective of a discussion is often that of creating yet another word. The concept of parsimony seems often violated.

Over the last couple of centuries we have been moving closer and closer to understanding how life may have actually come to pass at the atomistic level. If we do not sink into a new dark age before that objective is reached, an understanding of how life itself came to exist should cast a very bright light over all of philosophy. On some level, it may even be possible this knowledge, palpably drawing closer, is the reason a dark age now approaches.

Perhaps we fear the light.

WBraun

climber

Feb 24, 2008 - 05:02pm PT

We do not fear light jstan.

There would be absolutely no knowledge without light either materially or spiritually.

Kill the sun and then you'll really have fear ....

John Moosie

climber

Feb 24, 2008 - 05:05pm PT

The false self fears the light, for the light reveals its falseness. Our true selves do not fear light. So any fear is because we have given ourselves over to the false self.

cintune

climber

Penn's Woods

Feb 24, 2008 - 05:07pm PT

Then who or what set the trap? This is the hide-and-seek scenario again. Godhead playing an elaborate game with itself, but with no particular purpose. Very much like natural selection in that respect. No end, just endless means.

John Moosie

climber

Feb 24, 2008 - 05:19pm PT

One purpose is to experience separation and then reunion. This can seem odd, but when you look at the desire to be More, then it starts to make sense. God wishes to always be more. It seems impossible if God is infinite that can can be More, that is the inexplicable nature of the infinite. The ability to make oneself less in order to experience becoming more.

The key to understanding is that each of us chose to experience this, because we are God. God outside yourself didn't create this experience. God that is You, did.

Once you understand this, then many things can start to fall into place and the way out of suffering becomes more clear.

cintune

climber

Penn's Woods

Feb 24, 2008 - 05:21pm PT

Ibuprofin still works for me.

WBraun

climber

Feb 24, 2008 - 05:22pm PT

We set the trap and God does not play games with it's self.

The line "play games with it's self" is right out of the mayavadi text book which has been vigoriously defeated a long time ago even by it's own so called creator.

cintune

climber

Penn's Woods

Feb 24, 2008 - 05:24pm PT

Okay, then who are we?

John Moosie

climber

Feb 24, 2008 - 05:35pm PT

We are children of God. Aspects of God. Meant to learn to be More of God. To grow from ignorance to All-knowingness.

At one point we were fully protected ( like babies) yet as we grew up, then as all parents must do at some point, we were allowed to experience the consequences of our actions. Yet we were not left alone. Help exists.

There is a saying, when the student is ready, the teacher will appear. The teacher can be the school of hard knocks, or it can be grace through wisdom. Proverbs says, with all of thy getting, get understanding. The Truth shall set you free.

WBraun

climber

Feb 24, 2008 - 05:36pm PT

It's already been explained many times in this bloated thread.

We are the spiritual soul.

In the Bhagavad-Gita it is stated:

dehino smin yatha dehe
kaumaram yauvanam jara
tatha dehantara-praptir
dhiras tatra na muhyati

As the embodied soul continually passes in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death.

The self-realized soul is not bewildered by such a change.

"O son of Bharata, as the Sun alone illuminates this universe, so does the living entity [the soul], one within the body, illuminate the entire body by consciousness." [Bg. 13.34]