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john hansen
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So what if the 420000 employ's filed for unemployment next week..
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Fox News, right now:
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Haven't really paid attention... is trump still a dick?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Yes.
DT now has told us he could use emergency powers to construct his wall should the congress continue to balk his ambitions for a border wall.
I call foul because if it's an emergency, it's something you did not see coming or that happens in spite of your efforts to avoid fate.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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If only Democrats and assorted libs cared as much about federal workers as they do illegals.
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Apparently Lituya drank the kool-aid.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Lituya! I find it amusing that a big, tough, conservative climber like you has become a weak-kneed, little cry-baby, after Trump made you skeeerd of them latinos flooding across our wall-less southern border, intent on hunting gud American conservatives down, & doing many, many, many, evil things to you & yours.
Lock your doors, buy more guns, feel sorry for your America, & yes, it is all-right to just sit down & cry.
You, poor, poor, poor, fellow.
Sigh.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Here's a suggested ticket for the Dems: Bernie for President, Beto for VP, with Bernie pledging to serve only a single term.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Poor old predictable one-percenter Fritz--demonstrating why it's impossible to have a conversation on this matter. I lived in Colombia for several years and have spent more time in Latin America than he's spent sipping wine in First Class--or on the veranda overlooking his pretend Idaho ranch.
Sigh, indeed.
Truth is, a wall wouldn't be necessary if businesses followed the law and hired only citizens, legal residents, or program workers. "Sanctuary" cities and states have made this impossible. One can't help but think Democrats, having failed to sell their dumb ideas to Americans generally, are now hoping to import and naturalize a presently illegal underclass more amenable to, well, their dumb ideas.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Bernie for President, Beto for VP, with Bernie pledging to serve only a single term.
In Bernie's case, I hardly think a pledge is necessary.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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I would say that to,if I were skeered.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"Truth is, a wall wouldn't be necessary if businesses followed the law and hired only citizens, legal residents, or program workers. "
That's largely true- turn off the jobs magnet, and the flow of immigrants would slow even more dramatically. Still, the flow is not nearly as dramatic as it's portrayed by Trump & co- illegal immigration has been steadily declining since nearly 2000.
E-verify would be a good way to help accomplish this, but it does put (yet another) significant burden on employers to verify nationality- why should employers effectively be an extension of ICE?
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Trump is a buffoon, no doubt. But he's right about immigration.
True, Democrats predictably won the mid-terms, insulated even more by their new "vote harvesting" scam in California--a practice illegal in 49 other states.
Unfortunately, Trump will win a second term if Democrats are dumb enough to select a nominee from their burgeoning crankaloon ranks--like Warren, Harris, or Booker.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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E-verify would be a good way to help accomplish this, but it does put (yet another) significant burden on employers to verify nationality- why should employers effectively be an extension of ICE?
For the same reason they pay taxes. Because it's the law.
Again I'll ask, why do you support cities and states that believe they can nullify federal immigration law? (We fought a civil war over nullification a while back.)
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Perfect not purposefull illustration of null
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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I live in the Yakima Valley, a huge agricultural area in eastern Washington. I know a number of fruit growers and have had discussions with them about this topic. Temporary labor is absolutely necessary in the fruit industry, both to pick fruit and to maintain orchards and vineyards. A good cherry picker can earn $150/day, and hourly wages in Washington State are about $11/hr minimum. Washington also has passed laws to provide two weeks of paid sick leave to all employees and starting in 2020 has a program to provide paid leave in the event of childbirth, death, etc.
A lot of the temporary workers are illegals; employers are required to ask if they are legal and to get SSN's, which are submitted to the government; frequently the number comes back as invalid so the employer again asks for a number, etc. etc. The employers are doing what is required, but the process is flawed. I agree with apogee above; it is not the job of employers to perform ICE work.
I have talked at length to an illegal who has worked at the same place for more than 15 years; SSN's are floating around out there that more than one person uses. To not violate US tax law returns can be filed anonymously with a number instead of a name so as not to get caught ala Al Capone. It is unfortunate for this person, who is a solid law abiding person and an incredible, intelligent worker, that he will not receive any Social Security when reaching 66; all the money, about 14% of wages, will not provide a retirement benefit but is pretty much a gift to the US government. His employer knows he's illegal and uses that to hold him in his job, a sort of serfdom thing. He could be making $10/hr more is he were legal.
Rational persons would be attempting to solve these problems to the benefit of us all.
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WBraun
climber
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There are NO real solutions on this planet in material consciousness ever.
You are on the wrong planet.
St00pid earthling materialists are exactly like inmates telling the warden that they are in charge.
The more they do the worst it gets ......
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Lituya, I think we both agree that illegal immigration is driven strongly by the presence of jobs, and that this needs to be somehow controlled. However, shifting the primary responsibility onto employers is especially onerous- employers are already saddled with unbelievable amounts of federal and state laws related to hiring and managing employees. (I can personally attest to this!)
You know as well as I do that laws are sometimes made for really stupid, dysfunctional, political reasons. I don't think a trite response of 'because it's the law' serves a productive conversation.
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