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Roger Breedlove
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Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Feb 16, 2017 - 03:56pm PT
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Due process clause. Settled law.
I answered more fully below.
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Norton
Social climber
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Feb 16, 2017 - 03:56pm PT
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Wake up and realize the whole thing was done to mobilize your racism/xenophbia to say "Trump, so far so good!" as anyone in the WH knows it was an unconstitutional EO or they are stupid/incompetent.
More like they know how to play you to further their Fascist goals and divide the country with a wedge issue.
yup, payback time for His Adoring Base Voters
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Feb 16, 2017 - 04:20pm PT
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Obama got involved in Syria because Assad is a mass murderer, like Trump's mentor Putin.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Feb 16, 2017 - 04:23pm PT
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The Russian mind eh? Lol. Perhaps that is an example of unnecessarily dramatic writing, but people of all nations do tend to develop a cultural disposition based partly on their shared history.
When my older sister and her family returned to the US after having lived two years in post-USSR Russia(I forget the city name, but recall their son, who later became a sort of post-punk rock icon, boasting of hooping trains into Kasahkstan at twelve years old. Plug for my nephew: https://www.discogs.com/artist/496986-Pink-Reason);, she told stories of the average "day in the life."
Here's some examples:
 She showed me a picture of a contraption and asked me what I thought it was. I'll do the same for you. Imagine a five gallon bucket, like the type you would get at Home Depot, or a deli might buy filled with pickles or some other bulk item. A fan belt, like you would use on any old vehicle, is looped around this bucket, and also within the belt is a sump-pump type motor - the belt going around the pole the thing is set atop. What is it?(For answer, see below*)
On the Aeroflot flights she was on, passengers regularly included live chickens as "carry on baggage." Cages for the critters? Perhaps I wasn't clear enough, when I wrote "carry on...."
Because the apartments(for regular people, because you know, some animals are more equal than others)) were two bedroom apartments, it was a standard thing for families that had children of both genders to, as the kids reached puberty, team up with other such families and "swap kids." In my sister;s family, the took in a neighbor's daughter, who lived with them and slept in the same bedroom as their daughter. The son did the same, living with a separate family that had a boy.
You know we all heard the propaganda that "n the Soviet Union people have to wait hours in line at the store just to buy bread?" I have no reason to believe my sister would lie, but it frustrated her to no end to go from being an office manager in a busy company(her F-I-L's wood products business, which is part of why she and her husband were in Russia, with it's massive timber stands Think Carpet-bagger.....) to having a full time job that included using that "machine" I referred to above, and another full day of the week "at market."
I don't see how one spends years in that sort of existence without "keeping an open mind and being ready to act when they've got "a live one" on the line."
But perhaps, my surmisation was incorrect.
In other news:
President Donald Trump choice for national security adviser, retired Vice Admiral Robert Harward, has turned down the offer, the Financial Times reported on Thursday, citing two people familiar with the situation. Source: Rueters http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-harward-idUSKBN15V2Z7
*It is a Soviet era washing machine
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c wilmot
climber
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Feb 16, 2017 - 04:23pm PT
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Toppling stable dictators with the excuse they are bad has led to failure over and over. Remember saddam?
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Feb 16, 2017 - 04:33pm PT
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We invaded Iraq. Obama did not invade Syria. See the difference?
And I agree toppling dictators can be a bad move. But how long do you stand by and watch mass murder? Should we just let it go until there is a direct threat to America?
That is a question presidents have to face.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Feb 16, 2017 - 04:54pm PT
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Toppling stable dictators with the excuse they are bad has led to failure over and over. Remember saddam?
Well propping up what looks like stable dictators has also gone badly time and time again. Remember the Shah of Iran? Mubarak?
Basically things in the Middle East just go poorly.
Massive invasion of Iraq. It went poorly.
Limited action in Libya. It went poorly.
Staying [mostly] out of Syria (at least initially). It went poorly.
I would say try to nudge things in a better direction when given the chance and otherwise try to limit the cost to the US.
Saudi Arabia looks stable on the outside. But I think that is a pressure cooker just waiting to explode.
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c wilmot
climber
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Feb 16, 2017 - 05:06pm PT
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Kingtut our original premise was Assad had to go because he was cracking down on the "peaceful" protests of his countrymen that wanted him gone.
What does that have to do with Iraq?
And we have hundreds of ground troops in Syria and have been aerial bombing the country for years- I would call that an invasion
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Feb 16, 2017 - 05:25pm PT
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I didn't vote for him but so far, I can't complain.
So Jody, what's your favorite Trump lie?
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ecdh
climber
the east
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Feb 16, 2017 - 05:34pm PT
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An invasion is when you occupy territory.
Otherwise what you say rings pretty right id say.
Syria has had its own vested overseers for decades; iran and russia. US did the right thing just acting as a coach, not a referee. The precedent already exists, perhaps with the best/only functional outcome for any conflict in the region anyone has to go by - tajikistan.
Where it fails is absence of syrian territory as a resource, its just a field. Not enough hydrocarbons, industry, heroin or strategic value to give it economic value. Too easy to fight in, too hard to chop up.
Theres a reason theyd sat on the sidelines of regional policy since the 70s.
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Norton
Social climber
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Feb 16, 2017 - 06:02pm PT
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He has literally banned the Des Moines Register from covering his events.
He banned Univsion from attending his events.
He revoked The Washington Post’s credentials for a period in retaliation for a headline that he didn’t like.
He revoked Politico’s credentials for a while to punish them for an article he didn’t like.
BuzzFeed--which Trump called "a pathetic pile of garbage" during the press conference--has been on a blacklist since June of 2015.
The Daily Beast is on the blacklist and is almost always denied credentials as a result.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Feb 16, 2017 - 06:02pm PT
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This is from the New York Times comments section about the Trump "press conference". I hope Mike P who wrote it doesn't mind my posting it. He says it all and very well:
I listened to the news conference while driving. It made me realize that audio of Trump, without the distraction of images, provides even more insight into his bizarre and deeply disturbed personality. He rambled, boasted, complained, lied, left thoughts dangling, and generally was semi-coherent. He engaged in his traditional hucksterism by repeating over and over the nonsensical points he wants to drive into his audience. But most importantly, it made me realize that he considers me, and anyone else who disagrees with him, an enemy. I have never experienced that with an American president. It is disturbing beyond words.
Edited to add:
On Thursday, after a 77-minute meltdown of a press conference, Trump’s national security pick to replace Flynn, retired Vice Admiral Robert Harward, turned down the offer, reportedly calling it a “sh*t sandwich,” according to CNN’s Jake Tapper.
Smart.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Feb 16, 2017 - 06:06pm PT
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c wilmot
climber
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Feb 16, 2017 - 06:22pm PT
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Ecdh- I believe the resource the US in interested in Syria is military expenditures. Isis can be looked at as a MIC dream- we equip Iraqi and "rebel" forces with US equipment- only to wind up blowing said equipment up when Isis takes control of it. A win win in terms of profiting off death and chaos- the MIC bread and butter...
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canyoncat
Social climber
SoCal
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Feb 16, 2017 - 06:53pm PT
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There's no cure for stupid.
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ecdh
climber
the east
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Feb 16, 2017 - 06:54pm PT
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C wilmot; that is point id agree, tho i think a less attractive investment as its all small stuff. Nice for loose change i suppose.
I think the bigger investment is in funding Erdogens rampage of paranoia as its market monopoly.
Perhaps in this era its about lots of middle sized investments in bespoke war, rather than the good old smash n grab model that so obviously f*#ked out.
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trailridge127
Trad climber
Loveland, CO
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Feb 16, 2017 - 07:02pm PT
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Assad is a Baathist (supported by Iran) and is opposed by ISIL (proxy for Saudi Arabia) and the Kurds (seen as a proxy for the USA). All empowered by the Bush destruction of Iraq.
Yikes, Please spend sometime on Wikipedia because you are wrong.
edit...So wrong my head hurts. Saddam was a Baathist. To point you in the right direction. Google shite vs sunni, Iraq vs Iran
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 16, 2017 - 07:19pm PT
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The Trump Melt down has begun
I give him 2 weeks
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trailridge127
Trad climber
Loveland, CO
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Feb 16, 2017 - 07:28pm PT
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, why don't you do that and realize that there are Baathist parties in countries other than Iraq.
So was Iraq supported by Iran too?
Edit.. I posted this prior to seeing your comment. Thank you for your response. Iraq has tremendous importance in what is going on in the middle east. Equally does the Iran and Israel
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