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couchmaster
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Feb 13, 2017 - 09:42am PT
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Damnit, I thought this was a trip report about a route called "Hammer of God". Just clicked the thread and see it's only subject is the weather.
That would be a good route name in case it's not taken yet:-)
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 13, 2017 - 09:52am PT
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Politics yes, corrupt politicians for sale to the highest bidder to be specific.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 13, 2017 - 09:53am PT
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Already taken Couchy.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 13, 2017 - 09:56am PT
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hey there say, all...
i just wonder, and sure hope not, but:
after having long drought, and then, such water, etc,
or such, affecting the land (seeping in?) does this
affect earthquake situations...
does anyone have info on this...
i mean, if it did, is anyone
having any ideas as to how to help folks?
not wanting to be thinking of worse stuff,
but, there is all the fault lines,
and, me, i don't understand,
but just wonder... :O
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 13, 2017 - 10:36am PT
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#waitforthelocusts
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 13, 2017 - 11:05am PT
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hey there say, DMT... that is a scare, though, man oh man...
:(
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 13, 2017 - 11:17am PT
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I hope you'll like this shot, neebee.
And I know you'll love Sad Joan's ballad, as well.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Elvis sang a good version, too.
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We pray for rain
Then pray for snow
Won't you please pray
The dam don't go?
-mfm
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 13, 2017 - 12:10pm PT
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hey there say, mouse... wow, what a shot!
whewww... i got another really good one, last night...
i will post it in a minute, but not as good as that...
wow...
:)
here it is, from the news cast...
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 13, 2017 - 12:15pm PT
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hey there say...
did i ever post this, yet...
actually, werner, i thought you might
have been teasing a bit,
UNTIL i saw this...
:O
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Feb 13, 2017 - 02:35pm PT
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Here is a link to the USACE Levee database. You can go to this website and input your zip code and select radius of investigation and it will return a table of Levees in this area.
http://nld.usace.army.mil/egis/f?p=471:1:
Here's a screen capture of what the database returned when I input the Rio Vista CA zip code and 25 mi radius. As you can see, there are several unacceptable inspection ratings including fairly large levees in residential areas. I don't know what this means in terms failure risk related to a large unplanned release from an upstream dam.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Feb 13, 2017 - 03:30pm PT
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Why weren't the drought years used for maintenance of existing and construction of new dams? Did man made hysteria overcome rationality and human ingenuity?
The erosion on the emergency spillway is a design issue, not a maintenance issue. That spillway is nominally designed for 350,000 cfs. But a flow of 6,000 to 12,000 cfs for a few hours caused enough damage to order an evacuation. A little bit of maintenance would not have fixed that. The Mercury News article on this was pretty good. The spillway should have been lined with large boulders to prevent the erosion that happened.
Since emergency spillways are rarely, if ever, used. Experiencing some damage during use (and then repairing as necessarily) can be cheaper than a more expensive design while still protecting the dam from failure. But if a flow that is only 5% or so of the design flow causes serious damage, then it wasn't designed/built correctly.
As far as large dams that would provide flood protection for the Sacramento and its tributaries, the good sites are pretty much all taken. The only remaining site that I'm aware of that has much potential is Auburn. Local politics, combined with the environmental loss, combined with the fact that congress would never allocate Federal money for it, probably ain't going to happen.
There has been too much development, too close to rivers. That makes it really expensive to provide flood protection. The lake level in reservoirs could be kept at lower levels which would provide additional flood protection. But then farmers would go ballistic if the state flipped back into a drought.
All of the current proposed dam projects that I'm aware of would only be for water supply during droughts. Having an off-river site that requires the water to be pumped into it does not provide flood protection. I'm not ideologically opposed to this on principal. However, I am opposed to spending tax payer money to provide subsidized water to farmers.
For where northern CA is at, for flood protection, it really comes down to building and maintaining levees.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Feb 13, 2017 - 06:08pm PT
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^^^ a lot of good info and commentary on this thread. Here's a historic perspective on this winter 2017:
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 13, 2017 - 06:31pm PT
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Uploaded in 2012, never used in a post.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 14, 2017 - 02:53am PT
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For where northern CA is at, for flood protection, it really comes down to building and maintaining levees.
I totally disagree with levee-building on the Sacramento and with levee building on the San Joaquin.
When one town on one side of the river built a levee, it caused flooding across the river.
The town over there decided to raise one, too.
Surprise! It caused flooding on the other side of the river.
Their levee went higher.
And so on. This is actually how it happened between Yuba City and others in the area.
The only way the situation was resolved was to create the system of drainage weirs lower downstream, including the Yolo Bypass.
It's been proven (to me, at least) that levees don't work, yet folks still think they need them.
This is the book you need to find:
Memories: My seventy-two years in the romantic county of Yuba, California
by W.T. Ellis
William Turner Ellis (b. 1866) was the son of a Marylander who became a well-to-do merchant in Marysville, California.
Turner carried on the family business and served on Marysville's Levee Commission for forty years.
Memories (1939) contains Ellis's account of his boyhood in Marysville and the town's early history
from the 1850s and his experiences as a local business and political leader.
More than half the book is devoted to Ellis's service on Marysville's Levee Commission.
He proudly displays the knowledge of flood control that helped protect Marysville from the Feather
and Yuba Rivers and recounts related controversies including the impact of hydraulic mining on flood control costs.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Feb 14, 2017 - 06:35am PT
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That Hwy 160 Levee Road is one of my favorite drives. Good thing winter is over and it never storms in February....or March.....or April....or May.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Feb 14, 2017 - 06:43am PT
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When I went to Michigan State (big mistake but not relevant) I lived fairly close to the Red Cedar river. We had flooding issues one spring, and I wandered down to the woods by the river to watch the thrashing water, contained in the river channel by, you guessed it, a levee. As I stood on this levee I noticed a small flow of water coming out the backside. In a matter of fifteen minutes the small leak eroded into total collapse of the dirt levee and the river started flooding into the city. What caused the failure I was so fortunate to observe? A muskrat hole. Yep a little critter had made a home that precipitated a flood. Not sure what the moral of the story is, except maybe hubris.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 14, 2017 - 06:55am PT
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winemaker...what's the beef with Moo U..?
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