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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Feb 17, 2017 - 09:22pm PT
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Mazel Tov on the circumcision!
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Karkoekstan, Former USSR
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Feb 17, 2017 - 09:39pm PT
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so far Mexicans are slowly taking refuge inside American churches from ICE
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 17, 2017 - 09:44pm PT
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**John McCain just systematically dismantled Donald Trump’s entire worldview
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By Aaron Blake February 17 at 2:50 PM
John McCain is increasingly mad as hell about President Trump. And on Friday, he went after Trump — hard.
During a speech at the Munich Security Conference in Germany, the Republican senator from Arizona delivered a pointed and striking point-by-point takedown of Trump's worldview and brand of nationalism. McCain didn't mention Trump's name once, but he didn't have to.
And even considering the two men's up-and-down history and the terrible things Trump has said about McCain, it was a striking display from a senior leader of a party when it comes to a president of the same party.
In his speech, McCain suggested the Western world is uniquely imperiled this year — even more so than when Barack Obama was president — and proceeded to question whether it will even survive.
“In recent years, this question would invite accusations of hyperbole and alarmism; not this year,” McCain said. “If ever there were a time to treat this question with a deadly seriousness, it is now.”
In case there was any doubt that this was about Trump. Here's what followed:
"[The founders of the Munich conference] would be alarmed by an increasing turn away from universal values and toward old ties of blood and race and sectarianism.”
“They would be alarmed by the hardening resentment we see towards immigrants and refugees and minority groups -- especially Muslims.”
“They would be alarmed by the growing inability -- and even unwillingness -- to separate truth from lies.”
"They would be alarmed that more and more of our fellow citizens seem to be flirting with authoritarianism and romanticizing it as our moral equivalent."
That's Trump, Trump, Trump and Trump.
McCain continued: “But what would alarm them most, I think, is a sense that many of our peoples, including in my own country, are giving up on the West, that they see it as a bad deal that we may be better off without, and that while Western nations still have the power to maintain our world order, it's unclear whether we have the will.”
Trump has repeatedly suggested a desire to pull out of or scale back on international involvement and agreements. His slogan is “America first,” after all. And it's not just on free trade: It's also when it comes to things like NATO, the transatlantic military alliance that Trump has suggested the United States is getting a bad deal on and has flirted with not enforcing.
Then McCain invoked some of those close to Trump and emphasized that his message won't square with theirs:
I know there is profound concern across Europe and the world that America is laying down the mantle of global leadership. I can only speak for myself, but I do not believe that that is the message you will hear from all of the American leaders who cared enough to travel here to Munich this weekend. That's not the message you heard today from Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis. That is not the message you will hear from Vice President Mike Pence. That's not the message you will hear from Secretary of Homeland Security John Kelly. And that is certainly not the message you will hear tomorrow from our bipartisan congressional delegation.
McCain then concluded with another direct shot at Trump.
“I refuse to accept that our values are morally equivalent to those of our adversaries,” he said. “I am a proud, unapologetic believer in the West, and I believe we must always, always stand up for it. For if we do not, who will?
Two weeks ago, you may recall, Trump suggested the United States didn't exactly have the moral high ground on Russia. Asked by Fox News host Bill O'Reilly about wanting good relations with a “killer” like Russian President Vladimir Putin, Trump demurred.
“There are a lot of killers. We have a lot of killers,” Trump said. “Well, you think our country is so innocent?”
Ever since, it seems, he and McCain have been on a collision course. McCain didn't fight back when Trump questioned his war-hero status long ago — perhaps because both men were trying to win elections — but the battle between McCain and the White House is picking up steam.
And on Friday, McCain traveled across the Atlantic to deliver a calculated, planned attack on Trump's entire system of beliefs.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 17, 2017 - 10:00pm PT
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Trump the draft dodger questioning McCain's hero status..? Pathetic loser...Trump that is...
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Feb 17, 2017 - 10:02pm PT
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Now if McCain would oppose some of Trump's trainwreck nominees. He didn't even vote on the Pruitt confirmation.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Feb 17, 2017 - 10:06pm PT
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um wrong russ..-edited for mean spirited deli smack-Enjoy your sportball victory..what else does a washed-up has-been have to cling to in their dotage? Not a Cub's fan?
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Feb 17, 2017 - 10:09pm PT
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Ken-Those are somewhat comforting words from John McCain. Thanks for posting that.
Unfortunately, after years of watching the patterns of these people, I'm afraid the comfort of those words is thin at best.
They all play roles- McCain and Lindsey Graham are the gate keepers. They are critical of Trump like two foxes, all in an effort to keep a wholesale exodus of the party by moderate Republicans and the military types. They are the reasonable faces of the party to an end.
Under their cover, party operatives like Ryan and McConnell work lockstep with the administration and freedom caucus to pass a Draconian agenda.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Feb 17, 2017 - 10:21pm PT
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Thanks for those to video's Malamute.
Here's on back at you. Best part is at 4:49
[Click to View YouTube Video]
While a resident of Aridzona I voted for McCain. I did so because I felt he was the better candidate. I've been much less of a fan of him since. But I saw something then. Maybe we'll see a little bit of whatever that was now. Or I could have just been really really stonded.
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john hansen
climber
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Feb 17, 2017 - 10:24pm PT
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McCain was in Germany trying to convince our Allies that we will stand by them
Maybe he can lead the way for the republicans to impeach Trump.
I respect John McCain
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Feb 18, 2017 - 12:46am PT
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 18, 2017 - 08:19am PT
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I wonder why the "press" and "peaceful assembly" are specifically in the first amendment, not just freedom of religion and speech. PRESS and ASSEMBLY are specifically written. Thank gawd there were some really smart and good people involved. The press may end up saving us all.
And there are apparently 38% of us that are ok with the president attacking the best press in the world non-stop.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Feb 18, 2017 - 08:24am PT
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^^^
The Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clauses are the first things mentioned in the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 18, 2017 - 08:29am PT
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Feb 18, 2017 - 08:19am PT
I wonder why the "press" and "peaceful assembly" are specifically in the first amendment, not just freedom of religion and speech. PRESS and ASSEMBLY are specifically written. Thank gawd there were some really smart and good people involved. The press may end up saving us all.
And there are apparently 38% of us that are ok with the president attacking the best press in the world non-stop.
We can't reason with most of those people. They are illiterate and live in a news bubble and love a strong man, freedom be damned. They are basically authoritarians. I wish we could reason with them, but we can't. We have to defeat them.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 18, 2017 - 09:14am PT
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The press may end up saving us all.
You mean the same press that pushed Trump constantly into the news limelight because he was good for ratings? Without the press showcasing the outrageous over the capable, Trump would not have been the nominee.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Feb 18, 2017 - 10:56am PT
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Pence 2017!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 18, 2017 - 02:17pm PT
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I guess the most disturbing thing, is the chaos that currently exists at the upper levels of the gov't.
we have at least 2 power centers, fighting over power, and using their various resources to trash the other.
the State Dept is effectively gutted. Apparently, the Secretary was told he could bring in his own team. when he named his deputy, the WH said "no".
there are apparently 1000+ appointments at State, and rather unusually, not even names have been submitted to the Senate. All of the previous office-holders were sacked on Inauguration Day.
What this means is that State is not represented in any meetings, gov't-wide.
There are no meetings occurring of the NSC, which usually meets every day.
We've been lucky so far. The world is quiet. This will not continue.
There has been one military action (that we know of), in Yemen. by all reports, it failed miserably. More to come.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Feb 18, 2017 - 02:27pm PT
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 18, 2017 - 02:30pm PT
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@realDonaldTrump
The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!
"If you want to preserve -- I'm very serious now -- if you want to preserve democracy as we know it, you have to have a free and many times adversarial press," McCain said in the interview. "And without it, I am afraid that we would lose so much of our individual liberties over time. That's how dictators get started."
"They get started by suppressing free press, in other words, a consolidation of power -- when you look at history, the first thing that dictators do is shut down the press," McCain said. "And I'm not saying that President Trump is trying to be a dictator. I'm just saying we need to learn the lessons of history."
Senator John McCain
@carlbernstein
The most dangerous 'enemy of the people' is presidential lying--always. Attacks on press by @realDonaldTrump more treacherous than Nixon's.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 18, 2017 - 03:18pm PT
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I have been an attendee to the Daniel Pearl Memorial lecture for about a decade, and was scheduled to be there this year, knocked off by a bout of pneumonia. They have been uniformly excellent, and this one published in Time was no different. Brilliant thinking.
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