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k-man
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SCruz
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Was Obama's leadership a major factor in this election?
There were many factors involved in how this past election turned out.
I believe that many of Obama's policies would have been very successful if there was a Congress that worked to enact those policies. But we obviously will never know.
One thing we do know, Obama could not be successful with the obstructionists in Congress. This was the masterful plan put in place by your GOP. It's too bad that this is seen as a game, where the idea is to "win" at all costs. Because who is are the real losers here?
I'm not a fan of how Obama negotiated with the GOP. But I don't buy the lie that says the election was a landslide because of Obama's leadership skills, or because of his policies. If you buy that, then you're not paying attention.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
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flip burgers When did honest work of any sort become a joke?
It would seem conservatives rail against public assistance as nanny state and then poke political fun at someone working an entry level job.
That's the elitism of the conservatives that anger many libs.
Anyone working, flipping burgers, or something else is worthy of respect....not an attempt to demean because they actually took part in the democratic process.
Is this the "turn around"? Jokes and demeaning those in entry level jobs?
Susan
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Let's play a little game. Let's say that the American people don't like the policies that Obama and his administration are trying to enact.
Now it's your turn to play. You can say one of two things:
(A) We don't like O's policies.
(B) Here are our better policies ...
I hear you all say A, but not B.
Here's the game: Can you come up with B?
It's easy to point a finger and say, "It's your fault." Harder is to come up with ideas of your own that will work.
The GOP now has the stage. Think they will be able to switch to (B)?
Oh, and here's the catch. Remember who turned the country around for the better over the past few administrations.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Interesting article in the LA Times about what this election's voter demographics predicts for the next presidential election. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-look-at-voter-turnout-suggests-2016-wont-be-easy-for-republicans/ar-BBdbIO9
The more troubling picture for Republicans as they look ahead to the presidential race in 2016 is this: Although they won in what some are calling a red tsunami, the long-standing rules about midterm elections held true. They won largely because the voters who turn out tend to be more white and more conservative than those who turn out in presidential years.
A Wednesday analysis of exit poll data by the Pew Research Center found that men and older Americans were central to the GOP gains, and that there was little evidence that the party made progress closing its deficits among women or young voters.
Exit polls showed that men cast their ballots for Republicans by a 16 percentage point margin and women favored Democrats by a 4 percentage point margin, similar to margins in the 2010 midterm election. Republicans also held a 16 percentage point lead over their Democratic opponents among voters who were 65 and older, who made up 22 percent of the 2014 electorate compared with just 16 percent in 2012.
By contrast, voters younger than 30 — who favor Democrats — handed in 13 percent of the ballots cast, compared with 12 percent in 2010. In 2012, they made up nearly 19 percent of the electorate.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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K-man wrote:
I believe that many of Obama's policies would have been very successful if there was a Congress that worked to enact those policies. But, we obviously will never know.
That's like saying I could be king of the world if only everybody listened to me.
This government was set up for checks and balances. The opposition party advocates their own philosophy. In fact, that is their responsibility. If politicians want an opposition party to vote for their policies, they have to be willing to give something back. Gridlock or compromise has been the norm for most of this country's history.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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That's like saying I could be king of the world if only everybody listened to me.
No, it's not Larry.
And our country has never been so grid-locked as it is now, don't fool yourself.
In the past, congress worked across the aisle to get things done. Just listen to the folks who have been there for decades. The batch you have in there now, forget it.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2014 - 08:04am PT
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No Sketch. Turnout was on the GOP's side.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
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^^^^some people shouldn't be allowed coffee in the morning. ^^^^^
You need to go for a ride.
Susan
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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pathetic voter participation in this midterm = voters don't give a damn
"We're probably going to have the lowest-turnout election (nationally) since 1942. It's that bad. And that was in the midst of World War II when people couldn't vote because they were off at war," said Michael McDonald, a political science professor at the University of Florida who specializes in voter turnout.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Give em hell,SC :)
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WBraun
climber
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2016 is right around the corner...get ready for President Hillary Clinton.
This shows in nutshell how stupid politards really are and why they are stupid worthless people.
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crankster
Trad climber
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The righties here, from the moderates to the fringe lunatics, are a good example of how effective rightwing media is - they parrot the stuff verbatim.
Let em think what they want. They will find out soon they did not win a war of ideas. Soon, the infighting for power will become the story, as will the realization that this mob has no idea about how to govern.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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k-man quoted NAFTA, a trade pact between the United States, Canada, and Mexico, eliminated virtually all tariffs and trade restrictions between the three nations. The passage of NAFTA was one of Clinton's first major victories as the first Democratic president in 12 years--though the movement for free trade in North America had begun as a Republican initiative.
 You can bet that this will be the pattern that will be used again, but with much greater, and more desperate measures.
It's almost as if the people have the ability to look back on what didn't work all those years ago... and they actively want more...
(Creepy Cannibal Insect Video Here - coming soon)
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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You Republitards will glom onto any little shred of hope you have, won't you?
Completely missing the big picture...the electorate is changing, and not in the direction of the rigid, medieval GOP.
It's like being optimistic about the fact you can see the bathroom light when you are swirling down the toilet. Feel good, Republitards!
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John M
climber
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Warbler...Is the economy better now than it was when Obama took office?
Apparently Americans as a whole do not think so.
Poll: Americans grim on economy ahead of midterms
poor example Chief. The economy can be better then when Obama took office and still be pretty scary.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Climate change-denying, far-righties must have amnesia. They forgot the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression happened on their watch.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2014 - 09:02am PT
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Unemployment has dropped, the deficit is down, inflation is zip, GDP is healthy, real estate prices are recovering, and the stock market is roaring.
I'll take more Obama "f*#k ups," thank you very much.
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John M
climber
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no its not Chief.
the economy could have been worse. So at least Obama didn't screw that up. Its unlikely that anything he did could have fixed it completely, since it was so far in the toilet and he was dealing with an obstructionist congress.
Its more like saying..
Bush put 1,000,000 peoples lives in jeopardy by letting in the terrorist.
Obama has so far saved 900.000 lives, 100.000 are still at risk, but folks are gripping because he hasn't yet saved all 100,000, all while ignoring that fact that he was handed such an unmitigated mess and we came close to losing the whole 1000,000. Thanks to what the previous admin did.
He didn't put the million at risk. He managed to save 900,000 of them. But you just go on complaining.
We came incredibly close to something that could have been worse then the great depression. Did you learn anything about that in school? Are you familiar with just how bad that was. We were a hairs breadth away from that and skating on thin ice.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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dirtbagz got it right. the data speaks for itself
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Chief...look at the light...be optimistic, as you & your Party swirl down the toilet!
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