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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 13, 2014 - 11:12pm PT
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oh, they would probably say weak sauce
and more importantly, a False Equivalency on the grandest scale
comparison wise and all.....
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Sanskara
climber
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Apr 13, 2014 - 11:17pm PT
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As a few have said this is far from over.
Bundy will be held accountable only the lunatic fringe could convince them self of any other out one.
Plain as day to see unless you are certifiably nuts.
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Apr 13, 2014 - 11:20pm PT
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I guess if he can break the laws our land land I can go gut shoot a few of the cows on my our land for kicks. That scum back rancher should be shot.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 13, 2014 - 11:27pm PT
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Craig Holman, a lobbyist for the non-partisan advocacy group Public Citizen, said the senator is dealing with "an iffy ethical landscape" Public Citizen are not shrinking violets. They call it "iffy". Fair enough.
Just business as usual between the 1% and lawmakers all over this country. After all Corporations are people, all the Supreme Court justices appointed by Reagan and BushI say so.
It's good this is being scrutinized.
It has nothing to do with Bundy. Another red herring.
He's been in arrears for 20 years. Long before solar power was more than a wet dream for anybody except us geeks (and Jimmy Carter). If the government finally wants the cattle off the land for a solar power project, so much the better. And don't worry, us bleeding heart Climate Change Believing Environmentalists will be watching out for the Desert Tortoise.
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Sanskara
climber
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Apr 13, 2014 - 11:29pm PT
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No I do to trust our government even one little bit. Never have never will.
I just trust a bunch of militant backward red necks much much less....
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John M
climber
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Apr 13, 2014 - 11:50pm PT
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Like them environmentalists that terminated them hundreds of tortoises that they were charged with their safe keeping.
Wonderful.
High traverse already explained why they had to be destroyed. Budget cuts and the tortoises that couldn't released back into the wild had diseases that could spread among the wild population.
You do understand these kinds of things Chief. Don't you? You supported budget cuts. So you have nothing to say about that. And you should understand having to kill animals to keep disease from spreading. Mad cow comes to mind.
So why not drop this kind of nonsense inflammatory statement and prove you are a decent and honorable man. One who doesn't cotton with spreading lies and half truths.
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John M
climber
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Apr 14, 2014 - 12:10am PT
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They released as many of them as they could. Try to figure that part out. And the diseases partly come from some of them having been pets which the owners no longer wanted and were going to release into the wild, which could have caused problems for the wild population, so the conservancy took them in and tried to care for them, but their budget was cut.
stop making up wild theories chief. It doesn't become you.
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John M
climber
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Apr 14, 2014 - 12:25am PT
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Here is where it says that they took them in from pet owners. These animals live a long time. many were pets before tortoises were declared an endangered species.
http://www.blm.gov/nv/st/en/fo/lvfo.html
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John M
climber
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Apr 14, 2014 - 12:39am PT
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good night Chief. I think mostly you just want to be argumentative.
http://www.azgfd.gov/w_c/tortoise/health.shtml
you can keep animals that have been pets. Its not safe to release most of them back into the wild once they have been a pet.
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John M
climber
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Apr 14, 2014 - 12:59am PT
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seems like its the militia who are the guessers.
they want his land because their is oil under it.
gong.. no oil
its state land
gong.. nope.. federal land
its about water
gong.. not much water there
Ried is pushing this because he is involved in solar energy
gong.. this started well before solar was viable in this manner
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Apr 14, 2014 - 01:01am PT
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How very interesting---or not.
Best wishes to: High Traverse for all his well-thought out posts vs
the most obsessive blogger I've ever suffered: Da Chief!
Thanks to all who have posted: on this stupidly-fun thread.
Oh! and the grazing photo that "da-chief" posted repeatedly was photoshopped. No grass on the higher elevations in that area.
Here's how it really looks.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 14, 2014 - 01:05am PT
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 14, 2014 - 01:11am PT
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^^^ Yes please.
Once the construction dust settles it is pretty limited impact.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Apr 14, 2014 - 01:15am PT
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Tioga, I don't think it's just about Bundy either. From a sociological standpoint, it will be fascinating to see how it plays out, especially in an election year.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Apr 14, 2014 - 01:18am PT
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OK Da Chief:
I can handle the solar site vs the cow-sh#t.
It looks like better solar or tortoise land than cattle land.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 14, 2014 - 01:19am PT
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And here is California's own Kern Valley Oil field.
Looks like paradise for the Chuff.
Thing is after the construction phase an oil field is still an environmental disaster but a Solar farm will allow the land and habitats to regenerate.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 14, 2014 - 01:24am PT
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No Chuff I don't "NEED" to post anywhere. I CHOOSE to post where I will.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Apr 14, 2014 - 01:27am PT
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tioga-
I think that's probably what will happen in the long run. The age of the average farmer and rancher in the U.S. is currently 67, the same age as Clive Bundy.A better way of handling the situation probably would be to say his generation is the last who will receive grazing permits and let that way of life die gracefully.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 14, 2014 - 01:35am PT
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You have some strange fixation on fecal fecundity.
Drill baby Drill. Burn all you want we'll drill for more.
The Koch Bros need to buy more politicians.
Sparse barren land is piss poor pasture for big fat cows.
Switch to Buffalo. Healthier for you and less destructive to raise.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 14, 2014 - 01:41am PT
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What the hell does your construction pics have to do with the long term viability of solar farms.
You really are a petulant child aren't ya Chuff n Puff.
Bison can easily thrive on the sparser terrain and limited water resources of the west.
Yes they poop. Don't you remember your favorite book "Everybody Poops"? But they are more "natural" to the Western environment than the invasive cattle species ruining it now.
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