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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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In the mean time, it is what it is.
yep, and it is a DROUGHT by definition. And you are an idiot by definition.
And couchfuker, well, he's pretty stupid too... apparently he doesn't know how Wheel of Fortune works.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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We are dealing with it you moran. And we will continue to deal with it while you and the other anti-establishment idiots continue to live off your government checks and ignore reality.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Actually, I've been meaning to tell you... to be honest, I no longer have a PhD. They took it away from me.
They said I was far too smart for a PhD and my time would be better spent fly fishing and posting graphs I don't understand on the stupidtaco. They said, with a little hard work and a full lobotomy, I might be able to reach the status of a The Chuff.
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ruppell
climber
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SO this is what the US looked like during the Cretaceous period about 70 million years ago.
Using chiefs logic, basing current situations off of geological norms, I'd bet even he would have to agree we are in a drought. lol
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Using chiefs logic, basing current situations off of geological norms, I'd bet even he would have to agree we are in a drought. lol
Or maybe that the Earth is constantly 'evolving'.
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ruppell
climber
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Yeah, blue, that was kind of my point. lol
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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That buzzin is comin from a dungeon...a dungeon of despair...and the people eat...
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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Obviously what's needed is not a haymaker, but a rainmaker like Mr. Hatfield.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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It must be sad to live in an isolated world where you blow so hard, insist you are right despite evidence to the contrary, and refuse to admit when you are clearly wrong. Sometimes, when I imagine the life the Chuff must lead, I feel sorry for him. Then I remember the one day I met him out climbing... yep, he was an angry little man, failing to engage in a friendly howdy-do at the crag or in the parking lot. Although the woman with him seemed pretty friendly. I figured this poor guy was just having a bad day. I guess it is easier for as#@&%es to live in isolation.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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I took some of my own advice and will offer these additions.
San Diego County imports roughly 80% of it's water
Average for the five year period ending 2013:
20% from Bay-Delta**
63% from Colorado River
17% came from local supplies
**The Bay-Delta is a vast network of channels and islands at the convergence of the Sacramento and San Joaquin rivers, which collect runoff from the Sierra Nevada.
Rainfall, by decade has been fairly consistent (note: last 'decade' is less than ten):
Here is something to think about: San Diego is 362 Sq Mi. In a one inch rainstorm, 6.2 Billion gallons falls on that surface. So in an average year, 62 Billion gallons of water is available for capture.
The city uses about 162 Billion gallons a year.
Currently, most of that rainwater is lost. They capture a lot in the mountains (and the average rainfall up there is closer to 40 in/year), but that which falls on the city itself, the 62 billion, is lost down the gutter.
That is a valuable resource, that could make a huge difference in what is happening in the southland.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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The Chief is making the following argument:
there is no gasoline available within 100 miles of his home. This is not a problem, because prior to 100 years ago, there was NO gasoline available within 100 miles, so that was the normal condition.
therefore, there is no gasoline problem in Bishop, with none available.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Why can't we do the obvious?
Build Delta Smelt grates that disallow them from being pumped though the canals,
Kill the "bullet train" project and avert all funds to irrigation and water resource protection.
All extra funds go back to the Cal Debt.
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Psilocyborg
climber
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wait....extra funds from a construction project?!? hahahahahaha!!
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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I was thinking that fires or the lack thereof may be an indicator of "drought-like" conditions.
The number of Cal Fire involved fires 2013 calendar year was about 475. The prior year was zero.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Currently, most of that rainwater is lost. They capture a lot in the mountains (and the average rainfall up there is closer to 40 in/year), but that which falls on the city itself, the 62 billion, is lost down the gutter.
San Diego is a sea port.
Where are you going to capture and impound all that water at?
Build barges in the ocean?
How effectively surface runoff can be captured and stored is completely an issue of topology and geology.
A good contrast are the San Gabriel and Los Angeles river drainage's.
Almost none of the water (relatively speaking)that falls on the San Gabriel drainage ends up in the ocean. Since it sits on a huge alluvial fan it's perfect for capturing all of it and settling it down into the aquifer.
the San Fernando Valley and the Los Angeles river drainage is geologically completely different. (it wouldn't make any difference as far as water capture and storage if all the concrete was removed.)
There's no way to get the water into the aquifer and most of it ends up in the ocean.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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How effectively surface runoff can be captured and stored is completely an issue of topology and geology.
Pretty sure you mean topography.
And we all know geology is just a theory based on the opinions of brainwashed fear mongers who hate the freedoms of Merkins.
(it wouldn't make any difference as far as water capture and storage if all the concrete was removed.)
That simply cannot be true. Perhaps it wouldn't make much of a difference... but it would certainly make some difference. Isn't most of the LA basin alluvial? Plenty of room for water those.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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So are the affinity laws I guess too.
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John M
climber
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The number of Cal Fire involved fires 2013 calendar year was about 475. The prior year was zero.
not sure where you got your information, but 2012 saw plenty of Cal Fire involved fires. Drought doesn't always mean more fires. A wet spring with lots of grass growing can mean a worse fire season. Lightning strikes play a big part in the number of range land fires. Along with how dry it is.
Long term drought means more dead trees. But dead trees don't necessarily equate to more fires. It means fires might get bigger, but not necessarily more of them. More fires usually means more grass and more lightning strikes. Other parts of the equation are how many wind events and how hot it is.
Considering how hot fires get, it seems weird to me that fires seem to be so affected by temperature, but that is the way it looks. Not sure if that is 100 percent true, but it sure looks that way. Fires seem to grow quicker on a 100 degree day versus a 70 degree day.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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by all means do not build a desalinization plant for agricultural purposes.
Farmers couldn't pay the power bill.
There are two major ones under construction though.
Poseidon in Carlsbad. (50 MGD)
http://poseidonwater.com/
As originally conceived it was supposed to benefit from off peak power from SONGS. That ain't happening now.
CARLSBAD, Calif. — The San Diego County Water Authority has agreed to buy at least 48,000 acre-feet of water from the plant each year for about $2,000 an acre-foot.
(For comparison MWD charges between $1,200 and $1,500 AF)
and the Cal American Water plant in Monterrey. (6-9 mgd)
http://www.watersupplyproject.org/overview
As a result of the proposed Monterey Peninsula Water Supply Project and all other rate changes proposed between now and 2018, a typical customer should expect an approximate 41% increase in their bill phased in over five years between 2013 and the end of 2018.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 5, 2014 - 09:58pm PT
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Hey there Pat!
natural resources and hydrology at Columbia College (then CJC in 1974-77)
Did you have Ross Carkeet as an instructor? I took an enviro class from him when I was there(90-92) doing the Fire program and then classes to go to a U. Man, I loved that lil school, bouldering and Manzanita101 between classes was priceless!
Cragar, I had Ross Carkeet for six classes, one of the best professors I have ever had.
Yeah, bouldering in the arboretum or when it was raining or snowing buildering on Manzanita 'Hall'. The overhang (balcony) kept one dry and the arches over the door ways into the cafeteria were a good workout if traversed.
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