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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Nov 19, 2013 - 05:10pm PT
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identified locker at base of rock climbing accident drank too much kool-aid
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Nov 19, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
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jghedge,I hope you are right,I am not going to gloat.
I know quite a few people here in the rust belt that actually need this.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 19, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
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Dr. Locker,
May I suggest sand as a lubricant?
(That's for the sex-change post, Ron, which made me spew through my nose.)
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Nov 19, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
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I've been away for a while.
From Cragman on page 1
The United Socialist States
That's certainly what Obama wants...
aww c'mon Dean. Are you calling Japan, Canada and Singapore "Socialist"?
How about Australia, New Zealand?
Free enterprise is alive and thriving all over Europe and Asia (and beating us at our own game in many cases). BMW, Volkswagen, Fiat/Chrysler, Erickson and Nokia phones, Airbus, Sony, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, IKEA.
How many of us enjoy the fruits of the Capital and Labor of countries with national healthcare systems?
How many of our Capitalist Corporations really think that nationalized healthcare is a competitive DISadvantage?
Think about the liberation of free enterprise when companies no longer have their own bureaucracies to manage the complexity of our private health insurance system?
How about the liberation of free enterprise when workers are free to move from big companies to startups without worrying about health insurance. Or working as independent contractors.
After all, Capitalizm works best when ALL parties, Capital, Employers, Employees and Independent Contractors have freedom of movement. THAT's a Free Enterprise system. Even Adam Smith and Ayn Rand would agree with that.
What about the social cost (small letter "s") of uninsured citizens' illness and consequential absence from the workforce? Sick, uninsured children who either can't perform at school or have to stay home? How well with they contribute to the workforce?
And what about compassion for the less fortunate? Unless of course their fortunes are their Own Damned Fault. Interesting thought: wouldn't the ideal Capitalist OR Socialist State have no unfortunates?
Oh and one more question, when was the last time you tried to buy your own health insurance? How did that go? How long did you wait on the phone the last time you had to have your care "approved"? (sorry, that's three more questions)
The whole "Socialism" thing is a misleading and lazy argument to avoid a rational discussion. Don't be taken in.
P.S. we still need to sit down over a beer.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 19, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
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The majority of you guys don't even know what socialism is, so you shouldn't go around accusing people of it.
In this country — the most favored beneath the bending skies — we have vast areas of the richest and most fertile soil, material resources in inexhaustible abundance, the most marvelous productive machinery on earth, and millions of eager workers ready to apply their labor to that machinery to produce in abundance for every man, woman, and child — and if there are still vast numbers of our people who are the victims of poverty and whose lives are an unceasing struggle all the way from youth to old age, until at last death comes to their rescue and lulls these hapless victims to dreamless sleep, it is not the fault of the Almighty: it cannot be charged to nature, but it is due entirely to the outgrown social system in which we live that ought to be abolished not only in the interest of the toiling masses but in the higher interest of all humanity…
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 19, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
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The reality is the "back end"
The part that collects and distributes payments.
Makes it work!
Hasn't even been built yet!
It's an electronic Potemkin Village!
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 19, 2013 - 10:14pm PT
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A Republican Representative , who probably wants to see the ACA fail , grilling henry Chao about web. site security ...No agenda there eh , Tea G Tea...?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 19, 2013 - 10:15pm PT
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Did you even listen to the testimony from the IT guy?
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Nov 19, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Nov 19, 2013 - 10:21pm PT
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Conduct you business by US Mail, wow what a novel concept...
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Nov 19, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Nov 19, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Nov 20, 2013 - 12:48am PT
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Shiloh, you need to learn about reading and comprehension...
... there are programs even for adults!
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Nov 20, 2013 - 12:51am PT
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J.Shiloh = the LEB thing
please go away lois.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 20, 2013 - 01:28am PT
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J.Shiloh = the LEB thing
J S please describe this photo
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 20, 2013 - 01:48am PT
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For the record, I have not ever done any technical climbing
bye bye Lois,
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 20, 2013 - 08:11am PT
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Shiloh...The CEO's are the job creators...Taxing them is a regressive tax and discourages them from starting new businesses...We need more carrots , not rabbits nibbling away at the bark of society..
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 20, 2013 - 10:40am PT
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CEOs are NOT job creators. They destroy jobs and loot company funds for benefit of pirate investors. Doesn't matter if its dildos or dump trucks, the modern US corporation is like a criminal enterprise all dolled up to be a person.
Give that man a ceegar! It was only when I started reading the business pages of the newspaper that everything came into focus.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Nov 20, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
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JS sounds like the LEB troll/bot/amalgam/personna. But JS is also making a lot of sense.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 20, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
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I have to say that my favorite posts have been pyro's prolific postings of clips from "Emergency!" I had completely forgotten about that show.
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