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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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Jul 10, 2013 - 05:44pm PT
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Oh yeah Luvgas, I guess after seeing Stallone in Cliffhanger we scared that mugger off in Central Park so he doesn't really count.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Jul 10, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
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Eldo is rad. Always has been, always will be.
Just because "older" climbers become become tired repeating climbs, that does not mean the younger generation will not find extreme enjoyment climbing the classics and even the more obscure.
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Latitute 33
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Jul 10, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
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Bob, perhaps you missed the sarcasm. I am well aware that people don't necessarily want to work that hard to do a 5.10 or 5.11 -- hence the crowds at the chossy sport crag.
Christian stated much the same thing -- that Eldo was so 30 years ago:
But i get it.. Boulder and the front range really does need a place where climbers can stay. But they aren't coming here to climb in Eldo and making them stay in Eldo isn't going to do them or the locals any favors. I walk the canyon and the Fowler trail high on the south side, with my daughter almost four afternoons a week and even on a perfect afternoon, often i can count the number of climbers on a single hand. Climbers come to Colorado to Boulder or for the competitions or for the sport climbing and Eldo grand old crag that it is doesn't have high enough concentrations of any of that to be appealing to the vast majority of visitors these days.
But, does he understand that his argument undermines the other locals that are spreading fear that the Hostel will cause the area to be overrun by and further burden the residents?
These two propositions are contradictory:
That no one is interested in climbing in Eldo; and
That Eldo is already overburdened and the Hostel will be an attractive force.
Which is it? Either, Both ...or perhaps Neither.
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Even so, the great lines are still there to be climbed -- even if there are not lines at their base.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jul 10, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
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Bob I don't dislike them just question their overall significance. The current attention of top climbers and the Machiavellian mob moves around like an itinerant worker. Smith Rocks one year or two, Rifle for a few etc. Eldo will always be a significant destination worthy of a Climber's Lodge/hostel no matter where the Crag D'Jour is..
By the way as much as I love it Eldo it is not even my favorite climbing destination.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jul 10, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
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Looking wrote: Bob, perhaps you missed the sarcasm. I am well aware that people don't necessarily want to work that hard to do a 5.10 or 5.11 -- hence the crowds at the chossy sport crag.
I didn't miss it and I see it in the above. This is not a sport vs trad thing. It is about a hostel in a small town near a popular climbing/recreation area.
Phil wrote: The current attention of top climbers and the Machiavellian mob moves around like an itinerant worker. Smith Rocks one year or two, Rifle for a few etc
And so will Smith, Rifle, Shelf, New River, Red River Gorge and so on.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jul 10, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
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It is about a hostel in a small town near a popular climbing/recreation area.
Hey now that IS a good idea. I wonder if anyone thought of it before? Eldo could sure use one.
:-)
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 10, 2013 - 06:07pm PT
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I just wrote an email in support of the hostel. I like the idea of the hostel for me and potentially my family to stay at. I was also motivated by the responses of the locals here who were hostile, prejudice, and only seemed to address what they want, nothing about what is good for other people.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Jul 10, 2013 - 06:32pm PT
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Having followed this thread since its inception, my take ( for what it is worth/not much) is as follows:
Eldo residents that likely moved to Eldo because of the natural beauty and recreational opportunities now are not huge fans of the state park.
The state park brings in many people on good weather days and this creates traffic, parking issues, threats to their children's safety and much much more.
The vocal residents that are not in favor of an ACC hostel because that would in turn bring more folks ( max. 20!) into the community after dark. Community population is 500+ residents or 200+ depending on who you talk to. Support for or against is also unknown...depending on who you talk to.
Eldo residents already have to deal with annoying climbers all day so now, they really do not want them there at night as the are likely to rape, pillage and plunder. Think of the children!!!!
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steve shea
climber
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Jul 10, 2013 - 07:47pm PT
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I love climbing historic routes. History is important. Eldo is a treasure of early rock climbing development not only for the front range but Colorado and the whole country. To me that is the most important factor in all of this. Preserving the experience, educating first timers and giving those who visit a reasonable place to stay. Not only should they build the hostel, but attendant to it, The Layton Kor Memorial Museum. Nothing big just a display like the old one at Jenny Lake Ranger Station. I like history. My first ever day in Chamonix I got a bottle of vin rouge at the PP and went to the cemetery to view the headstones. What an experience. The history of alpine climbing. The AAC could do something great if given the chance.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jul 10, 2013 - 07:55pm PT
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Steve that is exactly why I support the AAC in this proposal.
Sure Pad people in chinos and beanies are not flocking to the trad leads of Eldo. So what.
New developing climbers will always be inspired by the grand history and bold climbs of Eldo.
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steve shea
climber
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Jul 10, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
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Pad people, that is funny! Yes lets get it done.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jul 10, 2013 - 08:43pm PT
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Neversummer that cracked me up.
The Nimbyrena.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jul 10, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
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Where's Odub when you need a good ballad?
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Jul 10, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
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Very witty turn of logic Gasoline! Funny!
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Jul 10, 2013 - 09:50pm PT
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If Eldorado Springs cannot accommodate 22 people it's suggested that they pass a law forbidding the current residents of to reproduce, to have house guests, or to increase the number of vehicles owned or operated as it will overwhelm the community's sewer system, parking, and other vital resources.
LOL! All of the "arguments" put forth by Janet and Pitbull / Olive are pretty transparent. When all is said and done, this is all about NIMBY-ism.
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Jul 10, 2013 - 09:53pm PT
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The hostel is a great idea.
The residents of Eldorado Springs have three legitimate issues:
1. Parking. Parking in the town of Eldorado Springs is really difficult at times. Always has been.
2. Sewer. The expensive, newly installed sewer system has capacity for about 20 more residents. It might have been several decades before this was reached, from random, occasional remodels. The new hostel will take up the entire spare capacity.
3. Location. Since visitors would need to drive just to get to this hostel, they will need cars. SInce they have cars then the hostel might be better located a bit farther east, out of the narrow, congested canyon itself, out to where there would be more space for outdoor cooking, drying clothes, parking, whatever. This would be more pleasant for both residents and visitors, a win-win situation.
The residents themselves? Just because a few posters here have painted them as selfish nimby types does not make it so.
Either way, glad to hear from Janet that the AAC is communicating with the locals.
Hope they can work something out.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Jul 10, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
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Crunch, I respectfully disagree. There are really only two legitimate concerns; parking and sewer. Those issues, along with building codes and CC&Rs, will be addressed in a review process run buy the appropriate government organization. If the AAC cannot submit plans that satisfy all the building requirements, then the project will not happen. It is as simple as that.
Janet, Pitbull / Olive and many of the residents that posted here seem to not want the hostel in their community for a variety of other reasons, most of which to me reek of NIMBY-ism. Sorry, Janet, but you don't get to dictate what another landowner does with their property, as long as it is legal.
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Jul 10, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
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Do you mean to tell me that family Christmas dinners, with out of town visitors will blow up the ES sewer system? Or that someone was so bloody stupid that they sized the sewer system for the 218 or 570, or whatever the hell number it is population? Do you seriously believe that ANY of us are gullible enough to believe your b.s. sewer argument?
At least be honest for god's sake, and admit that you would be REALLY HAPPY if you could gate the road and have Eldorado Canyon as your own private backyard, because that's really what you're trying to pull off here.
I grieve to the depths of my soul that I spent 31 years of my life working to defend my country, which by definition includes you self absorbed, selfish a-holes. You think you're doing something noble, because someone has to do it, and you accept the sacrifices for the greater good; and then you find that some "citizens" consider you unworthy of visiting their community. They do it by defaming you, and flat out lying, not just to protect their little niche, but to prevent you from accessing something that is rightfully yours.
School bus stops, sewers, parking (you have seen the historical pics right? ) That's the best you can do? How about oxygen consumption? CO2 production?
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spectreman
Trad climber
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Jul 10, 2013 - 11:57pm PT
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I'm with Sal. How can the sewer not handle 20 extra people?
And Boo fckin Hoo, lots of people drive through your "town" to go into a State Park. You somehow didn't know there was a beautiful and world famous Park at the end of the road?
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