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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jun 25, 2015 - 08:21pm PT
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Overnight, our previous small-group policy at 90% copay and $1250 deductible went up 40.02%, with a doubled deductible and only 80% copay.
You must be doing pretty good, so STFU.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 25, 2015 - 08:39pm PT
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You must be doing pretty good, so STFU.
You must not be, which explains the liberal, gimme mindset. It's amazing how many climbers that are now aging spent their lives living "free" and irresponsibly, thus now needing every gubment handout the demoncrats can dream up.
ROFL
Glad to help fellow climbers hang on in their waning years!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 25, 2015 - 09:07pm PT
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Obama who cares? He's history. Trump is the man.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jun 25, 2015 - 09:09pm PT
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"You must not be, which explains the liberal, gimme mindset. It's amazing how many climbers that are now aging spent their lives living "free" and irresponsibly, thus now needing every gubment handout the demoncrats can dream up."
Dumbass...I still work and still doing well. I have no issue with paying a little more to help others who are not.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 25, 2015 - 10:02pm PT
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Dumbass...I still work and still doing well. I have no issue with paying a little more to help others who are not.
ROFL.... real knee-slapper there!
You still work, and how old are you? Gettin' a little past the typical retirement age, there, ain'tcha?
The really hysterical thing about your "pay a little more" perspective is that you obviously have no idea how MUCH more you really are paying.
Fortunately for me, I know exactly how much Obumblecare cost my company just in health insurance alone, and an overnight 40.02% increase for a dramatically worse policy is NOT "paying a little more."
But, then, I am just a dumbass, so that's probably why to me it feels like paying a LOT more. But that's okay, because we've all gotta pull together into one huge conglomerate mass down toward the lowest common denominator, so that we can ALL whine together about the 1% that are raping the whole collective real good.
The king Obumbleator tried to save us and bring "real change," but his efforts were thwarted by those evil rebumblecons, otherwise he'd have taught those 1-percenters a good lesson too.
But hopefully the Hillabeast can continue the legacy of the Obumbleator, and we all know that she's no 1-percenter herself, so she's got our backs!
If only ALL rebumblecons could be put to the sword, we'd finally have the "real change" we've all been hoping for: the truly classless, raceless, OPEN-borders society where everybody does as well as everybody else and nobody "excels" and thinks to get all uppity about it.
For now, all we good folk just need to tighten our belts a bit more and "help out" until the "real change" can really come. And then we'll all be free and happy.
Yayyyy
Amen, and amen, brother!
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jun 25, 2015 - 10:32pm PT
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Republicans made gains in 2012 because younger voters did not vote. Even if Jeb (can't say Bush, that is a dirty word) gets the nomination he will lose in 2016 because the right has gone all in on obstructing anything the president tries to do. They have been slapped down on the budget and Obamacare, soon to be slapped down on same sex marriage yet they have learned nothing. Immigration will be their final undoing, they will push Jeb back to the far right, we can count on that.
Of course the Republicans will try to make up lost ground by throwing up as many road blocks as possible to prevent the less fortunate from voting (old and poor)
The Republican party is disgusting. But the tide is turning, people are beginning to care about each other a bit more, despite the hate propagated by Rush Limbaugh and Faux News. The real irony is that the religious folks are the staunchest Republicans. If caring about other people is Communism then call me Karl Marx.
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Degaine
climber
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Jun 26, 2015 - 12:51am PT
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madbolter1 wrote:
You must not be, which explains the liberal, gimme mindset. It's amazing how many climbers that are now aging spent their lives living "free" and irresponsibly, thus now needing every gubment handout the demoncrats can dream up.
I fail to see how wanting to implement a universal healthcare system - single payer or private or a mix - is a "gimme mindset". It just makes sense both economically and for overall outcomes.
When compared to the US, the French and German systems cost half as much as the US system per capita for far better outcomes and Japan one-third.
It's not Obamacare that bilking people in the US, it's the providers and insurers. A visit to a GP in France costs 23 €, in the US it costs a minimum of $120 (negotiated rate that insurance company pays of which there's a copay). In France an ultrasound costs 70 €, in the USA it costs $450.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 26, 2015 - 01:43am PT
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It's not Obamacare that bilking people in the US, it's the providers and insurers.
The second part of that sentence was exactly my point from just barely upthread. The first part is false because....
Obumblecare just handed the country to the insurance companies on a silver platter, and the insurance companies ARE now bilking people in the US like they never could before.
Your Obumbleator in Chief and a demoncrat congress rushed to force Americans to be chained to the insurance companies, which are now dragging down obscene profits with no risk and a guarantee of no downside.
The entire system needed reforming/regulating, but while you and yours are crowing over the "triumph" of Obumblecare, you seem to be blind to the fact that it was NOT a reform. It fixed nothing. Everything it has and will "accomplish" would better have been done via ACTUAL reforms.
ALL it accomplished was to sell off the American public to the insurance companies, while doing NOTHING to regulate gouging throughout the industry. The insurance companies are laughing all the way to the bank, and they laugh hardest at people who think that this latest swindle of America was the best thing that could have happened to us.
If you think that ANY of our "representatives" have YOUR best interest at heart, you are utterly deluded. And the Hillabeast is just as much a 1-percenter as any corporate-shagging rebumblecon. They are ALL utterly disgusting, on both sides of the aisle, and they've got us clawing at each other rather than to realize that they are stealing from US and selling us down the river at every turn.
Obumblecare was NOT about helping the poor who can't afford health insurance! It had nothing to do with us "caring for each other"! That's how it was SOLD to you.
It was about selling US to the insurance companies while changing NOTHING about what is really broken in our health care system. And in so doing, they succeeded in getting a CONSERVATIVE SCOTUS justice to cast the turning vote to declare: "The federal government is now, in principle, ALL powerful. It can do WHATEVER it dreams up to do."
Oh, it IS to laugh!
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jun 26, 2015 - 06:26am PT
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This entire Obama care smells like rotten fish!
Wonder how Trump is going to handle this problem..
Let's be reminded of the Smug Liars
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crankster
Trad climber
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Jun 26, 2015 - 07:04am PT
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And now gay marriage...times are a changing (for the good).
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jun 26, 2015 - 07:06am PT
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Crankaloon you must have been so stoked to bump this thread.. good for you!
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crankster
Trad climber
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Jun 26, 2015 - 07:22am PT
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Don't be such a hater, pyromaniac. Let your love light shine.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jul 20, 2015 - 08:24am PT
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Cranloooon I bump for you...
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jul 20, 2015 - 08:29am PT
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Healthcare is a right for anyone on US soil.
It's in the Constitution.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 20, 2015 - 09:00am PT
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Pyro, it baffles me why you'd look to that privileged, egotistical shithead for any wisdom.
Trump is garbage.
From this morning's washington post:
He was 21 years old and handsome with a full head of hair. He avoided the Vietnam War draft on his way to earning an Ivy League degree. He was fond of fancy dinners, beautiful women and outrageous clubs. Most important, he had a job in his father’s real estate company and a brain bursting with money-making ideas that would make him a billionaire.
“When I graduated from college, I had a net worth of perhaps $200,000,” he said in his 1987 autobiography “Trump: The Art of the Deal,” written with Tony Schwartz. (That’s about $1.4 million in 2015 dollars.) “I had my eye on Manhattan.”
More than 8,000 miles away, John McCain sat in a tiny, squalid North Vietnamese prison cell. The Navy pilot’s body was broken from a plane crash, starvation, botched operations and months of torture.
As Trump was preparing to take Manhattan, McCain was trying to relearn how to walk.
https://m.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/20/what-donald-trump-was-up-to-while-john-mccain-was-suffering-as-a-prisoner-of-war?tid=HP_more
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jul 20, 2015 - 11:20am PT
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Pyro, it baffles me why you'd look to that privileged, egotistical shithead for any wisdom.
ur right next time i'll take ur advice dirtbag...(yeah right)!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jul 20, 2015 - 11:26am PT
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The son of a wealthy real estate developer, Trump received four student deferments that were followed by a 1968 medical deferment that came a few months after he graduated from the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School.
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Trump said that his disqualifying medical condition was a bone spur in one of his feet (he could not remember which one).
Dire Straits all right
That ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Money for nothin' and your chicks for free.
Now that ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Lemme tell ya them guys ain't dumb
Maybe get a blister on your little finger
Maybe get a blister on your thumb.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 20, 2015 - 11:26am PT
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"I know you are but what am I" is such an effective comeback, Pyro.
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 20, 2015 - 12:00pm PT
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Trumps can of worms he's open and has been known for a long tine and covered up by McCain hinself.
33 POWs faced execution for treason after Vietnam until Nixon pardoned all POWs.
McCain was on the list of the 33, in fact at the head of it.
Here are the facts as we know them:
According to Colonel Ted Guy, John McCain’s commander as a POW, McCain collaborated with the enemy.
McCain is accused of giving information that led to the downing of 60 US aircraft
McCain is accused of training North Vietnamese air defense personnel
McCain is accused of making over 30 propaganda broadcasts against the US, broadcasts he moved to have classified when he was elected to the senate
These 4 accusations are the only real and supportable accusations against McCain.
The evidence for these acts exists and is substantial.
What is stranger still is McCain’s longtime war against veterans, other POWs and their families.
When John was a bit younger and better capable of looking after himself, he was often both verbally and physically abusive to POW families, POW activists and veterans.
We hear nothing of these brutal outbursts of McCain’s though they continue to this day, now taken as the ravings of a mental defective.
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