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Boulder climber
bouldering
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Feb 25, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
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It's been a week, and noone has confronted him - No confession?
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Feb 26, 2013 - 12:35am PT
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"John Gill never chipped holds"
Survival
Except for that one time, of course :-)
Curt
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Feb 26, 2013 - 01:18am PT
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MOK, thanks for the response. I'm still not convinced on your justification but I also don't see the world thru your eyes, maybe u drill pockets in some quarry heap? Maybe u wreck holds on existing routes because you can't do them? I am not privy to your motives or what you have done. Thru my eyes I cant seem to understand why u think your affinity for cheating would be worth mentioning on here? Are you hoping for some sort of "chipper's unite!" to take place?? Haha Good luck!!
All seems a little strange to me. As to would a coward confess?? I don't know, but I think rather than chipping or confessing you'd be better off making yourself strong enough to do the climbs you want to do in the state that they're in. That is exactly what a coward would not do- leave the project for someone better.Your "confessing" appears to be more for attention than anything else anyways, sorry- far from heroic. I also don't think anyone is trying to give you validity, only suggesting that what you are doing is little kid toy sh#t & that you need to get with the program. That's what I'm telling you at least but you seem pretty happy about the way things are & I guess for you that's all that matters so party on!
There's heaps of chipped routes out there, relics from a bygone era. Canvases from selfish artists who didn't actually know how to paint without numbers.
These days do we really need more??
And as for you thinking about a road chip up here, yes ur right- super low angle everywhere here & everything worth chipping has already been chipped.
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Juicer
Trad climber
SLC
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Feb 26, 2013 - 01:59am PT
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At least climbing isn't getting totally normalized by the mainstream.
Kludge Master is painting little spots with his oil paints and what not, diddling away at some remote, defenseless crag in Wyoming that know one knows about. At some level, he'd like to see more people climb his routes.
Ivan wears elbow length gloves, alternating between missing the end of the chisel and beating the crap out of the rock with his mini sledge. Stashing his Harbor Freight tools here and there, he engages in xtra-normal battles with others in his community.
Everyone's got their style, but at some point it's just poor form that isn't justified by some personal or professional philosophy. It's relative to the rock quality, the sensibilities of the community, and land management.
If the rock is good, and you have no control in the moment, best to limit yourself to the toothbrush.
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OR
Trad climber
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Feb 26, 2013 - 10:26am PT
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Camo job...bwaahahahaha
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Feb 26, 2013 - 11:04am PT
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When I first saw this thread, I thought the question was, is bouldering climbing and do boulderers have to obey rock climbing rules? I was willing to say, boulders are not the same kind of valuable resource as rock climbing routes, and it really doesn't bother me what people do to them. Clear out all the underbrush, chip and glue holds wherever you want them to be, cover the rock with chalk patterns, and hang out smoking dope with your boom box and radical clothing. Actually that's all fine with me, as long as the property owner doesn't care. But if this guy's doing this at the Gunks, someone should send the video to the mohonk trustees, explain that climbers TOOK the video because they're trying to help protect the preserve, and hopefully they'll bust this guy for trespassing and vandalism.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Feb 26, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
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Huh? Master of kludge got banned for chipping?? That's pretty awesome actually.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 26, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
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LOL
How draconian ....
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
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that guy needed a hug.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 26, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
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Seemed like a perfect gentleman to me.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Feb 26, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
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It probably didn't have a whole lot to do with his views on chipping but rather had to do with MOK telling someone if they said STFU to his face they might lose their life.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
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To be fair, he said they would loose their life...
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Feb 26, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
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Ban all chippers!
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Feb 26, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
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How do we know Kludge is banned?
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Feb 26, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
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Member profile information for Master of Kludge is shown below. This member's account has been deactivated.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 26, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
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My experience with the Mohonk Preserve ( then called Mohonk Trust) when managed by Dan Smiley was that they felt very strongly that problems were best solved by the climbers. If at all possible.
Now listen to me. Whenever it became apparent this was not in the cards, The Preserve was not at all afraid to solve the problem using all necessary means.
All necessary means.
They are not the National Park Service.
The Preserve has almost a 150 year history acting as a most gracious host.
Climbers need to solve this problem.
Edit:
Public humiliation comes to mind if one considers that a weapon they themselves would use. If one does not consider that to be appropriate, there are other better approaches.
In 1970 on another much bigger problem I was advised to use public humiliation. I did not.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Feb 26, 2013 - 01:10pm PT
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...and solving the problem apparently means public humiliation
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Feb 26, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
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Ivan should be punished. Made to read this entire thread. however that would be cruel and unusual punishment.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 26, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
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I think a heartfelt "I fuked up BAD" from Ivan would be a good start.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Feb 26, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
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That's probably all he has to do is promise to stop doing it, otherwise the result could be quite negative as John Stannard warns. (forget what I wrote before about involving trustees, that was a bad idea) I think he's lost so much credibility that he has to do this anyway. He's not going to impress anyone with his chipped problems so why keep doing it?
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