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dirtbag
climber
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Yep John.
Dmt--the trust is broken, for years, if not permanently.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Yous guys need to brush up on yer reading comprehension, in particular the
phrase 'tongue in cheek'. ;-)
And for the record, walking around Europe with all those wee diesels spewing
merrily away, presumably in conformance, is not particularly enjoyable,
especially when they burn out from a stoplight.
I'm also open to a wager that VW's sales will be back to today's level
within two years, at the longest. People just gotta have their Fahrvergnügen!
What else they gonna buy, Renaults and Fiats? OMG!
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Nature wrote:
he's talking right now.
Of course, but when does he stop? (ha ha)
Keystone is now an easy decision anyhow.
Oil is down to where the tar sands in Canada are getting too expensive to produce.
And Dirtbag is right, deficits increase during recessions, but too big to fail?
Crony capitalism at it's finest, supported by the establishment of Washington DC and Wall St.
Congress has the purse strings, Presidents set the tone and have veto power, so it takes 2 to tango.
Reagan's deficits, Bush's deficits and Obama's deficits are bi-partisan.
Printing money is intended to inflate our way out of debt. Wouldn't be the first time.
As usual, small business and the middle class fund the left and the right's pet agenda's.
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John M
climber
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I believe that the issue with too big to fail is that we have allowed institutions to get so big that if they fail, they can bring down the nations economy with drastic effect. I believe it was the right idea to save those companies because if we didn't, we would have entered a depression, which would have been even more costly. Instead, once we saved them, then we need to start figuring out how to limit their size so that they aren't anymore "too big to fail". We did that in part with the laws on monopolies. Now we need the next level.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Dec 16, 2016 - 07:18pm PT
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The Iran Deal may be the Nixon/China moment of our generation as long as Trump doesn't fuk it up.
The Sunnis have f*#ked us behind our backs for 30 years. Saudi Arabia will continue to fund our enemies, keep women in bondage and stuff democracy at every opportunity.
The maturation of Iran's, tech savvy youth movement is down the road a bit but the potential for commonality holds much more potential for gaining a regional alli than the Ray-Ban wearing, bearded dicks in white robes.
Israel is certainly doing us no favors.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Dec 16, 2016 - 07:42pm PT
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HFCS: He speaks so thoughtfully and eloquently . . . .
From a management / leadership perspective, that may not always be important. There are times when articulation is not the primary skill needed to evolve an organization.
Things come and go. You gotta be flexible and adaptable. Almost no one has those skill sets proven. At the end of the day, in my view, communities go after what they need in the next phase. That person and those skills, too, will go stale. There appears to be no real Renaissance Leader or Manager, other than the proverbial Philosopher King. (Where’d he go?)
You can only lead what you (i) understand and (ii) have a good vision for. Those two qualities are tricky to put together. They require minor deities, kind of. Being perfectly in tune with your times is a gift from God. It takes a great connection to the unconscious to make that happen. In that, you are just a pawn. In that, take your place and BE.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Dec 16, 2016 - 08:25pm PT
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He speaks so thoughtfully and eloquently . . . .
When he first assumed office there were a lot of ers and uhs, but he became more polished as time went on. That's not to say he improved as president, but his speaking skills were honed.
I agree with MikeL.
My observation: Community Organizer & Chief does not make a great president.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Dec 17, 2016 - 04:12am PT
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If I had an unlimited credit card that I never had to worry about paying back I would be able to buy my way out of a lot of problems also.
I would agree Jebus, $10 trillion dollars is a helluva party.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Dec 17, 2016 - 07:03am PT
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What will his legacy look like?
Inequality amongst U.S. citizens grows
Healthcare safety net looks fleeting
Still dropping bombs around the world
Still lots of angst with China, Russia, and North Korea
Iranian deal could be fleeting
Big donor issues continue to influence elections
Congress is still overwhelmingly populated by non-working class backgrounds
He hasn't raised the benchmark required to be president that high. He's being followed-by a serial tax avoiding, sexual predator with a penchant for race-baiting.
Hope and Change was just a hollow talking point. Remember all the gushing over his "New Beginning" speech in Cairo? And then we had Benghazi and the rise of ISIS. JV team? Nice call Mr. President.
Post racial America? IMO race relations are at a 40 year low. I think our president first made his leanings clear with "the Cambridge police acted stupidly".
I had not recently given Obama's style much thought. Then I saw what he had to say about Russian hacking and his "tough talk" to Putin. More paper tiger rhetoric.
Would it be fair to say Mr. Obama help set the national tone that allowed Donald Trump to become our next President? Thanks a lot, Barry.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 17, 2016 - 07:21am PT
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There is nobody prouder of the president than the president himself.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 17, 2016 - 07:28am PT
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that may not always be important.
Of course. But often it is. And often it does reflect an underlying greater depth of wisdom esp relevant obviously to strong solid leadership and the complex social games in today's politics, foreign and domestic.
Good post, Jebus.
I agree with MikeL.
No surprise there.
This truly is the United States of Amnesia. Just as the Pres pointed out in his opening remarks in aforeposted video, where was the country in 2008 regarding the economy, foreign wars, international standing, etc and where is it today? How easy it's forgotten or by some, many tens of millions actually, just never known in the first place.
The devil's in the details, Plumber Joe.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Dec 17, 2016 - 08:06am PT
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I’d say vision is relatively easy. It’s what the mind does automatically, non-stop it seems. Look at how easy and often vision shows up here on this thread. Everyone has their own vision of how things should be.
A great orator sells vision better than others. All the better if that person has charisma.
What’s really difficult is management, mainly implementation skills. Anyone can come up with a halfway decent plan to do this or that, but getting folks to rally round it, get in line, pull together, do their part, communicate, coordinate, and integrate . . . all that tends to take a big, manipulative, ego that has wide, deep, and intimate relationships with folks who control resources, with gatekeepers to other communities and factions, who monitor performance, and hold people’s feet to the fire for the commitments that they made. (My list is incomplete; there are so many things needed to become a great organizational architect.)
Given a choice between a great vision with mediocre implementation skills versus a lesser vision with great implementation skills, I’ll take the latter. Anyone who says, “Aw, it’s easy to manage people . . . you just tell them what to do,” is ignorant and naive. Getting great folks to sign up and from different groups to work together is way harder than it would seem. (And a U.S. President hasn’t that many buttons or levers to push—surely less than a CEO.)
I’d submit Lyndon Johnson as an astute politician (especially when he was still in Congress)—and look at how poor he’s been portrayed by history as a U.S. President. By comparison, JFK, the darling of the country purportedly accomplished very little in his brief stint in office (god rest his soul).
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couchmaster
climber
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Dec 17, 2016 - 08:56am PT
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If I was a betting man (I am), I'd bet a lot of Obama haters will be reflecting wistfully that there are Presidential term limits and would be happily welcoming President Obama back after 3 years of President Trump.
Hope I'm wrong about Trump. Still not as bad of a choice as Hillary IMO.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Dec 17, 2016 - 03:17pm PT
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BO did make a valiant attempt to extricate the US from combat, as he promised. However, it's not enough to declare victory if the opposition doesn't declare defeat. It will be interesting to see what becomes of the Iran treaty. To me it appears BO gave away far too much to a terrorist nation that continually threatens to annihilate Israel.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Dec 17, 2016 - 03:20pm PT
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Did anybody hear the entire press conference the other day?
It was excellent, one of his best I thought.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Dec 17, 2016 - 03:31pm PT
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Barry has always had mad teleprompter skills. That's why he's alive.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Dec 17, 2016 - 04:05pm PT
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Shut up. It wasn't teleprompter, it was questions and answers. Ever heard of a press conference?
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Dec 17, 2016 - 04:08pm PT
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I don't think either of us know what you are saying, but I'm sure you'll get 8 or so more hours in of that today ;).
Do you, like, do anything?
Do you? I made some food today in the cold weather. You spend another 8 hours ballcupping your spender-in-chief?
The $10 Trillion dollar man....
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