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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 10, 2012 - 08:58pm PT
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Actually we do know the details - his personal assistant at the time, obviously just another deranged LA hater, writes a very honest account.
You mean the pig who was hired to provide confidential assistance, who now is attempting to get even with LA by spilling what he wants to say about their relationship.
I read the words this hack wrote. Hateful spite.
What else do you need to know about a man hired to do something confidential, and who then has the lack of integrity to try to cash it in.
Plus, Riley, I'm sure if we find whoever it is who really hates you (and you have them), and published their thoughts on you and your relationships, you'd be a proud puppy.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 10, 2012 - 09:07pm PT
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Police in the Cayman Islands rigorously enforce laws against illegal drugs. U.S. citizens should avoid buying, selling, holding or taking illegal drugs under any ...
But then, maybe not, doesn't say what they do about non-U.S. citizens.
Note, many of the drugs not allowed in competition are PERFECTLY LEGAL DRUGS for anyone else to have and use, under certain circumstances.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 10, 2012 - 09:09pm PT
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Gary,
Blood Doping is not Drug use.
Sorry. A whole different and far more dangerous animal.
EDIT: Gary, get and read Tyler's book to get a glimpse of the dire danger involved in the practice of blood doping.
Blood doping IS drug use.
EDIT: Gary get medical information from medical people, not washed-up cheating bike riders, or washed-up sailors.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Sep 10, 2012 - 10:39pm PT
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Chief, "blood doping" could mean any number of different things, including as you mentioned, transfusions, but also things like EPO and Aranesp, that are definitely drugs.And yes they can be dangerous, but so can other forms of doping. Google Tom Simpson if you want an example.
And while I have a tremendous amount of respect for Eddy Merckx, as he was a far greater champion than Lance, it is pretty clear that he doped, and he is still a strong supporter of Lance.
For that matter Jacques Anquetil, one of the other 5 time winners admitted to doping and said almost everyone did it.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Sep 10, 2012 - 11:16pm PT
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Chief...so it's okay for you to use the blood doping technique and not Lance...? Now i hate you...
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 10, 2012 - 11:33pm PT
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Autologous doping combat soldier fights for his life = zero money winnings.
Lance Armstrong blood doping winning TDF = 450,000 euros plus money from all the sponsors. (Millions)
You still think it's the same?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Sep 10, 2012 - 11:39pm PT
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WBRaun...I think they are the same..Money has no influence on the warrior spirit and money is useless in both worlds...
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Sep 10, 2012 - 11:41pm PT
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The money in bicycle racing pales compared to say zum Beispiel (z.B.) the money in professional football and baseball and basketball. Yet, players are being "caught" in all three sports. I'd say Lance Armstrong could make more money as a doping consultant to the stars, than he ever made riding his bike.
Do the math, or as Ramblin' Willie Clinton says, "the arithmetic".
Not to unnecessarily exacerbate the confusiion in an already confused issue, but what is the likelihood that al qaeda (must confess, I had to look up the spelling on that one) autologously dopes?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sep 10, 2012 - 11:44pm PT
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F*#k Lance....he cheated, they all probably cheated, but he did it with a special kind of arrogance and sense of entitlement that I, for one, find especially nauseous.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Sep 10, 2012 - 11:48pm PT
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Chief...I'm pulling your leg for christ's sake...It would be interesting to have your blood cells stimulated though....I have to agree with Ken M's remarks about Lance's gofer spilling the frijoles though...The guy should have stayed quiet...I have a friend who worked for Eddy B. and the same thing happened without much money being involved...Eddy promised this and that and when the cash was all spent , my friend didn't get sh#t...Not even a suburu montgomery cycling cap...My friend worked on Lance come to think of it...
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Sep 10, 2012 - 11:54pm PT
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Well I was following right along until:
but he did it with a special kind of arrogance and sense of entitlement
I don't choose to keep up with all this, but what is your conclusion based upon?
My take is that folks who reach up into the upper echelons of accomplishment are usually a bit cocky. It's a fine line as to what is too cocky.
Did Babe Ruth really point where the ball was going before he hit that home run? Did John Bachar really issue that climbing challenge? Did Wilt Chamberlain really have all that sex (and how many were white girls?)?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sep 11, 2012 - 12:03am PT
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The key word is "special," and you are right that arrogance and sense of entitlement are common failings with great atheletes....dosen't make it okay. Then again there are people like Chris Sharma and Roberto Clemente.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Sep 11, 2012 - 12:04am PT
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Zbrown...Did wilt really have sex with all those women...? Is the pope catholic...?
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 11, 2012 - 12:05am PT
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And Jim Donini a fine man in the upper echelon also .....
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Sep 11, 2012 - 12:29am PT
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From what I've read Mr. Donini is probably in the upper, upper echelon and on the "good" side of that slender cockiness line, but:
I'm still wondering where the "arrogance" tag is coming from. Like I said, I'm not keeping up, but is all this from the Hamilton book?
Maybe "cocky" isn't a good word for Wilt, but he was quite boastfull. I met him briefly once and he was a very friendly, personable guy. I think someone else on the ST did also and says the same. As far as religion goes, I don't know.
rj: Well I do know one that he didn't have sex with. When he tried to hit on her, she ran.
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Gary
Social climber
Monza by the streetlight
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Sep 11, 2012 - 12:51am PT
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You still don't get the concept that the DOD is NOT a democracy do you.
You do what you are ordered to do. No choice in that matter after one signs on the dotted line.
Wait a dang minute. In another thread you said the Navy was an anarchist organization. Which is it?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Sep 11, 2012 - 12:57am PT
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Zbrown...Wilt wasn't cocky personality -wise but the term all men aren't created equal definitely applied to wilt's stature in more ways than one...I know this from being in the Laker locker room...RJ
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 11, 2012 - 01:08am PT
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Extraction and reintroduction of one's own blood (autologous blood doping) taken at different intervals of training IS NOT one bit considered drug use. Perfecting the timing of reintroduction at the competition level will boost ones ability to perform far more effortlessly at peak levels of competition.
This is a technique I was trained in THIRTY YEARS AGO. It is DEFINITELY drug use. It requires a medical license to order, and to purchase the equipment. If someone has a reaction, you have to fill out a DRUG REACTION report.
You may not think of it that way, BUT YOU AINT IN THE NAVY, here.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Sep 11, 2012 - 08:48am PT
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Nick D, I have not read anything about Armstrong except in the newspapers, magazines, online etc. But journalists can distort the truth (I have been asked to and only did on one occasion, to write a positive article about tobacco, and I am anti-smoking). I needed the money. I am a whore hack.
But if your post about his first wife is true, then I will NEVER ever respect or admire this guy.
Now, I suppose, before I become too judgmental, I should seek out more facts.
Neil Armstrong was a hero.
My former A&P prof, Lee Armstrong, brilliant.
Lance Armstrong? Comes across as arrogant (and "I fought cancer give me a break") and false, from the interviews I have seen and read.
I lost my closest brother to cancer on May 18, my sister to breast cancer last year. Okay, Lance Armstrong created a cancer foundation, one of many. But his cynicism reeks.
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