Guiding Everest is not morally defensible

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bmacd

Trad climber
100% Canadian
May 24, 2012 - 12:21pm PT
It all reminds me of the time I spent way out on the West Coast of BC with some eco-nazi's.

Their moral high ground was similar to the tone of this thread. I asked one of the Chiefs at a village we stayed at why don't they send their kids to trade school in Vancouver so they can take care of infrastructure themselves instead of all the white tradespeople I saw fixing broken sh#t.

The Chief said if they sent their kids to the City, they would never come back to the village.

This is how you preserve a culture, that isn't worth preserving, at the expense of the childrens future.

Suck on that one you bone heads ...
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
May 24, 2012 - 12:24pm PT
BMACD, I got your message thanx!
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
May 24, 2012 - 12:35pm PT
Shouldn't we be sporting a few pics of Part Time Communist about now?
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
May 24, 2012 - 12:38pm PT
What will be interesting I think is ConRad's boy Max Lowe, and the project he's got going on.

He stayed with us here in Delhi prior to heading to Nepal and shared with us his upcoming project. He has a grant from Nat. Geo to do a photo/doc about how life has changed for the Sherpa up in that region due to the influence(s) of mountaineering/tourism. I'm looking forward to learning a few things from that perspective and what he gathers.

http://adventureblog.nationalgeographic.com/author/maxloweeverest/
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
May 24, 2012 - 12:40pm PT
Haha. Good one philo.

Seems to be a bit of a double standard perhaps.




But my view hasn't changed.
Such a zoo has no allure to me.
If people are willing to pay huge sums to shuffle up the conga line, and Nepal and China cry all the way to the bank, then it just underscores how pitiful humans can be.

Until guides are certified, licensed, and paid FAR more then they are on a fool's errand.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
May 24, 2012 - 12:45pm PT
Exactly Ron I agree with you 100%.

Tami if you want I can post up enough BC pics of Corporate Logos to make your head spin.

So Ron, if it isn't about her why do you keep insisting on disparaging her with the ugly labels you use.

Let's get back on topic here.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
May 24, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
I love you Tami.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
May 24, 2012 - 01:20pm PT
Shouldn't we be sporting a few pics of Part Time Communist about now?

Everest needs some PTC
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
May 24, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
a. that guy isn't doing a posed beefcake shot dressed up for a professional photog.

b. he looks emaciated, like he just summited Everest under grueling conditions

c. it doesn't look staged, it looks spontaneous.

Thanks Philo.....I do appreciate your efforts.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
May 24, 2012 - 01:27pm PT
Just countering double standards where ever I find them.

So spontaneity is the magic key.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
May 24, 2012 - 02:08pm PT
Thievery on Everest is unfortunately not new.

Pathetic and indefensible to be sure but not new.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
May 24, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
Well Ron if you are tired of the welts and bruises perhaps you could consider my favotite saying.


Better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak up and prove it.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
May 24, 2012 - 02:41pm PT
Meanwhile a 69 year old Italian guy who had stopped at Camp 3 on the north side
and was refusing to come down because he wanted another summit
attempt, descended to Camp2 on his own and was "rescued" from there with
bad frostbite.

Hard to say if he was just overly ambitious or had gone weird from the
altitude or both, but surviving above 8,000 meters for two nights with no oxygen
at his age was quite a feat. He should make the Guiness Book of Records if
nothing else.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
May 24, 2012 - 02:59pm PT
Karen McNeil posed at the base of Cho Oyu in a short skirt and heels, Margot Talbot took a photo at the south pole in a bikini top.....



Who gives a sh#t. Have some fun, we are stardust and no one lives forever.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
May 24, 2012 - 03:03pm PT
^^^ +1 ^^^
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
May 24, 2012 - 03:41pm PT
In one of the news articles, its says there are SIX MILES of fixed ropes on Everest. The next step is obviously to replace them with steel cables ....
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
May 24, 2012 - 03:42pm PT
And a ski lift with a Starbucks on both ends.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
May 24, 2012 - 03:50pm PT
If there was ever a good place for an oxygen bar,..
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
May 24, 2012 - 03:52pm PT
^^^ LOL ^^^
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
May 24, 2012 - 04:32pm PT
they get attacked by other women who look like men

Attacking a woman for attacking a woman. I think you are going to be attacked for that.
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