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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Nov 24, 2011 - 12:03pm PT
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California Penal Code Section 12403.7 (a) (8)
"(g) Any person who uses tear gas or tear gas weapons except in self-defense is guilty of a public offense and is punishable by imprisonment in a state prison for 16 months, or two or three years or in a county jail not to exceed one year or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment, except that, if the use is against a peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, engaged in the performance of his or her official duties and the person committing the offense knows or reasonably should know that the victim is a peace officer, the offense is punishable by imprisonment in a state prison for 16 months or two or three years or by a fine of one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment."
That fatass cop need to be put in jail, like the law says!!!!
All you dumb ass law+order republicans should be up in arms, but you're not, mainly because you are hypocrites
They say that the students should be dealt with because "they are breaking the law"...
But when an officer breaks the law.... you're mysteriously silent or just want to talk about some other pointless topic
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 24, 2011 - 01:21pm PT
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There are always folks like you on the wrong side of history
desperately picking and clinging to the imperfections of such great
movements towards freedom. I am not sure why. What deep dark psychosis
moves a human to fight to the bitter end that which serves his good?
This is what Engles meant when he called his first draft of The Communist
Manifesto a "faith."
You have faith. You have hope. I bet you voted for Obama.
More to the point: You do not have knowledge of the future at all. No, you
don't.
In fact, you are so naive you don't even see it coming right at you. You
are too busy waiting for something else....That elusive something else...
Skip
Skip, thank you for your kind words in several posts. It gives me hope when those of different pursuasions can find common ground and respect, even when they disagree about fundamental things.
I would take issue with the post you made, above (not directed at me)----I would bet they didn't vote.
One can disagree about ideology, but when someone doesn't vote, I consider that unpatriotic, and really don't consider they have an opinion worth listening to, since they won't do their duty for their country.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 24, 2011 - 01:32pm PT
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You guys have no idea what "Anarchy" even is. I used to think that it means what most of you probably do: total lawlessness and everyone on a personal rampage.
That is the general definition in the U.S. In reality, it means the lack of a centralized government in the sense that it is some massive entity.
People come together and agree on rules,laws, whatever. They can even have a military and negotiate treaties with other nations.
So, Anarchy is a word that isn't really used properly. The Republicans lean in that direction a little, in the sense that they don't like the federal government for much, except for the military.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism
Base104, the purpose of writing is to communicate. If people use "the general definition in the US", in speaking to one another, are they not communicating effectively?
What you are perhaps unaware of, is that dictionary compilers CHANGE definitions to add those which are generally used.
You cite Wikipedia, which is NOT a dictionary, a repository of word meaning. You apparently are unaware that a wiki is something that anyone can write to, including overtly wrong information. It is basically an opinion.
Merriam Webster, a dictionary says this:
Definition of ANARCHIST
1: a person who rebels against any authority, established order, or ruling power
2: a person who believes in, advocates, or promotes anarchism or anarchy; especially : one who uses violent means to overthrow the established order
Definition of ANARCHY
1a : absence of government
b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority
c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
2a : absence or denial of any authority or established order
b : absence of order : disorder <not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature — Israel Shenker>
Examples of ANARCHY
-Anarchy reigned in the empire's remote provinces.
-When the teacher was absent, there was anarchy in the classroom.
-Its immigration policies in the last five years have become the envy of those in the West who see in all but the most restrictive laws the specter of terrorism and social anarchy. —Caroline Moorehead, New York Review of Books, 16 Nov. 2006
-Fueled by booze and the euphoria of having seen their school win a share of its first … title in 36 years, a mob of Beavers fans hurled itself at the cops, breaching both chains and creating anarchy. —Austin Murphy, Sports Illustrated, 27 Nov. 2000
-But by the early 1800s, the mines began to play out, and the colonists challenged the Spanish throne for independence. The Silver Cities survived not only the bloody revolution of 1821 but also the ensuing century of anarchy and bloodshed. —David Baird, Continental, February 1999
-The anarchy of the Internet may be daunting for the neophyte, but it differs little from the bibliographical chaos that is the result of five and a half centuries of the printing press. —Fred Lerner, The Story of Libraries, (1945) 1998
So, sorry to correct you, but the posters have been using the term CORRECTLY.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 24, 2011 - 01:46pm PT
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Also, BASE104, just as an illustration, take another look at your citation in Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism
If you look under "Criticisms", you will see I have added something:
Criticisms
Main article: Criticisms of anarchism
Criticisms of anarchism include moral criticisms, consequentialist criticisms, and the criticism that anarchism could not be maintained.
Also, inappropriate usage of definitions creating confusion, such as by BASE104 ( http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1670538&tn=660#msg1674632);
As you can see, Wikipedia can be easily manipulated to say what one wants. That took me 1 minute.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 24, 2011 - 01:49pm PT
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Karl,
Should anyone be at Berkeley when they can't afford it and their degree will not lead to a high paying job???
How about a Cal State campus, I think they are up to $6000 a year, perfect for Art, Ethnic Studies, etc.
The evil one
Knowledge, Culture, history, and understanding ourselves and Life are high expressions of society and should be addressed in our higher institutes of learning. The premise that "everybody" has a chance of excellence and success is negated when college privileges are passed down with the same money that rules our politicians. (How many presidents of our recent presidents have gone to Yale?)
Our passage through life is more than about money. Institutes of higher learning are our tools of advancing a society that understands itself and explores itself.
Life is about more than money. The Rich have their private schools. Pubic schools ought be be vehicles of the people.
And Cal State regularly raises their tuition as well at rates triple (or more) the rate of inflation.
We are gutting our fine society just to give the uber-rich tax cuts (meant as "stimulus" but just used to finance outsourcing and off-shore trusts)
OWS is getting people to wake up and smell the sh#t
Peace
Karl
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 24, 2011 - 01:57pm PT
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What you are perhaps unaware of, is that dictionary compilers CHANGE definitions to add those which are generally used.
I've been trying to get this point across for a while. People too often go to current online dictionary definitions to validate their points. But they fail to use common sense or the original context of certain words. Entymology is interesting.
I personally disagree that word definitions should be modified. It muddies the waters of communication, especially when people take things out of their proper context.
Big problem nowadays. Most Latin-based languages (Italian and Latin specifically) have several words to describe what we call 'love', for instance.
I love pizza. I love my son. Not worthy of the same word.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 24, 2011 - 02:37pm PT
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Apparently, there's no evidence at all that Dr F's girl ( the one who claimed Seattle Police caused her to mis-carry ) was ever pregnant!
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/11/jennifer_fox_miscarriage_occup.php
She even made the exact same cops-killed-my-fetus claim just two months ago. At that time, she also claimed she was "three months" pregnant.
"Obviously Fox can't be three months pregnant in September and then still three months pregnant in November."
Assuming she was right in September when she said the cops killed her baby, and immediately went out and got knocked-up again ( I can see her doing that ), she wouldn't have had time to be three months along when the cops worked her over this time.
Even her own mom calls her a "compulsive liar".
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 24, 2011 - 04:11pm PT
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^^^ And yes it is interesting ^^^
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 24, 2011 - 04:11pm PT
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Isn't entomology the study of insects and teabaggers?
Etymology being the study of the latter's misuse of language.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 24, 2011 - 04:13pm PT
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Well cut him some slack he did watch a science special on FoX.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 24, 2011 - 04:36pm PT
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 24, 2011 - 04:50pm PT
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Here's to TGT's NEWTocracy.
Hey, Cleatus Fetus Eater you've mistaken itinerary with geography.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 24, 2011 - 06:30pm PT
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A word for Ken M to ponder:
Libel
1. To make libelous accusations or statements; to spread defamation
Is it possible to libel a person who does not exist?
I'm not worried, bring it on.
You will find, that the affirmative defense, is that what was said was TRUE.
But I'm still not worried, because for their to be a suit, one has to reveal one's identity. :)
I'm still waiting Ken M. Step up and become a man.
Everyone here knows I'm a man. I'm not sure that you're even a human. Increasingly, I think you are a Republican troll, and not.
Get a life, Black Shirt.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 24, 2011 - 06:38pm PT
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Ken M
Lovegasoline is for real and he's been here for years.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 24, 2011 - 07:46pm PT
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Ken M
Lovegasoline is for real and he's been here for years.
Actually, a fictitious name is NOT real. It is a fake identity.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 24, 2011 - 08:26pm PT
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TGT,
don't you just love Hansonspeak;
the ossification of thought and the proliferation of the mediocre
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 24, 2011 - 10:26pm PT
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Ken M -- "Actually, a fictitious name is NOT real."
My name here is "wbraun" and is fictitious.
These are all just avatar names and most of the people here with avatar names for their identity we know anyways.
But I'm real at least I believe that since I bleed when I get cut.
Hey Ken M mellow out man you bleed too .....
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 24, 2011 - 11:58pm PT
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Why don't we regularly test all COPS for Steroid use and abuse? A whole lot of them appear to be suffering from Roid-rage. This country gets all bent out of shape when grossly over paid athletes who do nothing more significant than play with there balls or peddle bikes take them. Why not test the PIGS who carry weapons in public? The results would likely be startling. Or is it sufficient justice to wait for their testicles to turn black and fall off and their brains to go al swiss cheese like Lyle Alzedo? Of course the collateral damage of police brutality might be a problem in the interim. I think ALL COPS & PIGS should be regularly and randomly tested for illegal substance use like steroids. Any COP caught should be sent to prison immediately.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 25, 2011 - 12:16am PT
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OMG! Werner plays Shylock!!
"Does not a Werner bleed?"
ROTF
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