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Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jun 5, 2014 - 10:57pm PT
Ward, it seems kinda nutz to pick on a dad who's kid has been a POW for the last 5 years...

Wow "nutz" is just how a rap dude would say it.

No I'm picking on him because of that blue tie and Talibaner beard.
Ameen....

Was there a " Stockholm Syndrome" going on here? If in fact there was, I guess I could cut him some slack ---despite his weedy wardrobe choices.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

If there wasn't a Stockholm Syndrome going on then I suppose we can conclude exactly where the son got his wondering nomadic ways?



Flip Flop

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Jun 5, 2014 - 11:16pm PT
Ward,
Zz Top and Duck Dynasty.

Does it strike you as odd that you are just repeating fox sound bites.

The father said that he grew his beard to keep track of time.

The media is full of sh#t so why don't you hold off with your hate judgement.

Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jun 5, 2014 - 11:22pm PT
repeating fox sound bites

Really? What are they saying over on CBS, NBC, ABC,PBS , NPR, CNN,Reuters and AP...for starters?

So you buy the " keep track of time" bullsh#t. Interesting.
Is that how Talibaners synchronize their combat missions?

Hey call me "hateful" but I can't for the life of me bring myself to love people who kill Americans or sympathize with those that do.

Zz Top and Duck Dynasty.

What does that have to do with anything?
Caricatures standing in the place of critical thought?


healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jun 6, 2014 - 02:13am PT
Turley doesn't give a rats ass about the prisoner swap, rather he is a long time opponent of expanded powers of the Executive. He was very much against W's use of presidential signing statements and he's equally against Obama using them. However, and just to be clear, Obama has done 21 signing statements to-date whereas W did 117 of them by this point in his presidency.

So, if you think Obama has 'broken the law' through his use of those signing statements, then hell, where was the rightwing outrage when W declared his intent break the law six times as often?

What's that I hear: that's right, the silence of blind hypocrisy.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jun 6, 2014 - 04:23am PT
Deserting is disobeying orders.


Allegedly?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jun 6, 2014 - 05:13am PT
Sketch...how is anger management going...?
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jun 6, 2014 - 06:02am PT
So regarding the statement quoted below, as long as a person bitched when Bush did it, it's fine for them to bitch when Obama does it? Good. Because it's bullshit either way in most cases. (notice the word most in there, not the word all - that was meant that way. Most cases, not all and it goes for any President IMO). The sad fact is that even when an executive order looks great on paper, it twarts the process - and thus, in and of itself separate of whatever the order does or creates even if that is a good thing, is a bad thing. Obama has taken the Bush war on terror and expanded it where he HAS BEEN legally justifing the killing of American citizens without due process. Yes, President Obama has routinely ordered the killings of American Citizens without trials and they have died not long after because their deaths were ordered by the President. It appears that thought crime is one such thing they have been snuffed for. Without due process. No courts, fait accompli. Done. Over. It's a shocking thing given the rise of government power, but specifically, Presidential power. (ie, see Edward Snowden etc etc). The founders would be shocked if they were to be cyrogenically revived and brought back to see what our government looks like. That most common americans just roll their eyes and are not bothered by it in the least as long s it's not them or a relative getting snuffed is a disturbing thing to me.

"Turley doesn't give a rats ass about the prisoner swap, rather he is a long time opponent of expanded powers of the Executive. He was very much against W's use of presidential signing statements and he's equally against Obama using them. However, and just to be clear, Obama has done 21 signing statements to-date whereas W did 117 of them by this point in his presidency.

So, if you think Obama has 'broken the law' through his use of those signing statements, then hell, where was the rightwing outrage when W declared his intent break the law six times as often? "

As far as the quantity of Executive orders signed, if that's what you meant with the use of the words "signing statements: your numbers are wrong although the statement Bush signed more is correct. Here's the numbers I see:
"As of March 6, 2014, President Barack Obama has signed 172 executive orders. For comparison, President George W. Bush signed 291, President Clinton signed 364, President George H.W. Bush signed 166, Ronald Reagan signed 381, and FDR signed 3,522. "

dirtbag

climber
Jun 6, 2014 - 06:09am PT
There's nothing inherently wrong with executive orders when they are consistent with existing laws.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jun 6, 2014 - 06:13am PT
Well said Couchmaster
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 6, 2014 - 07:11am PT
The Obama haters will not be dissuaded. If their oatmeal is soggy they will gin up a scandal.

Plug into the right wing noise machine and it's so easy. Everything gets dumbed down to appeal to simple minds.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jun 6, 2014 - 07:28am PT
hillary has tooooo many emails per day!
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 6, 2014 - 07:45am PT
The next president, Hillary Clinton, is playing this perfectly. Supportive and wise, as usual.

The far right extremist will disagree, obviously. Militia members will ruminate over the counter at gun & ammo stores. That's of no consequence. Zero.

blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jun 6, 2014 - 07:54am PT
Amazing that some of you desire yet another dynasty type to run for president, as if you havent had enough of those..

I'm hoping she runs--cuz I think there's a good chance she'll win the nomination, and then get shellacked in the general election.
But I could be wrong--never underestimate the stupidity of the American electorate. And at least she'd be a step up from the clown "doing the job" (sorta, I guess) now.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 6, 2014 - 08:07am PT
Ken M, I prefer not to lower myself by mud-slinging and grade school name-calling. I am
sorely tempted to make an exception in your case. Your conflating of John McCain and Bergdahl is despicable.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 6, 2014 - 08:13am PT
Clinton on Monday said the ultimate outcome of the exchange is unknown right now.

"I think we have a long way to go before we really know how this is going to play out," Clinton said. "You don't want to see these five prisoners go back to combat. There's a lot that you don't want to have happen."

But she added, "You also don't want an American citizen, if you can avoid it, especially a solider, to die in captivity."
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 6, 2014 - 08:16am PT
Amen. ^^^

The far right is too consumed with hate to allow any kind of meaningful discussion to occur.
Best just to defeat them.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 6, 2014 - 08:26am PT
Thank God we have people on the 'far right' like John McCain who believe in and practice
balanced dialogue. Y'all do know that he and Ted Kennedy were good friends? And just to
further confuse some of your myopic minds I would very likely vote for Hillary.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jun 6, 2014 - 08:38am PT
Sketch writes:

"Disobeying orders is the same as deserting?"




Serving in the National Guard during a shooting war is desertion.
fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Jun 6, 2014 - 10:01am PT
Thank God we have people on the 'far right' like John McCain who believe in and practice
balanced dialogue

McCain is your example? the only thing balanced about his dialogue is when he contradicts himself cause he can't keep track of what he just said about something.
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 6, 2014 - 10:24am PT
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