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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Yeah Cragman...at least make a new pair of pajamas out of that bear..
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Riley-
It's true that the most dangerous animal in Nepalese national parks is the bear. However, bears are dangerous everywhere in the world for the same reasons. They can't see or hear well and they tend to charge first and think later.
However, I believe the story of ripping off faces of whole villages is just folklore. Buddhist Nepalese in particular don't know much about wildlife since they don't hunt it and therefore don't study it. They'll also tell you that every snake is poisonous which also isn't true.
We had plenty of those bears in the valley below the Sherpa settlements where I lived, and they ran if you made noise and didn't get between them and their cubs.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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The rhinos are dangerous too for the same reasons. Charge first and think later! But you can climb a tree to get away from them.
The villagers just outside Chitwan National Park down in the jungle, guard their rice crop from the rhinos by grabbing them by the tail and burning them in the butt with bamboo torches until they cross the river back into the park. Can you imagine? Rhinos running toward the river with burning bamboo stuck against their rear and a little guy hanging on to the tail and running behind them for dear life. That I've seen with my own eyes.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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I'm using this incident as a platform to bring change/enforcement to laws here on the east side in regards to people feeding bears.
We don't have enough laws already. Cough* cough*. Education is the key, might consider a flier tucked into everyone's garbage can as well as looking at enforcement issues. Good luck Dean, and good on you for shooting (.....errr, wrong word I suppose) for something positive.
BTW, concerning the bears in Nepal stories, everyone over there knows that Yetis are much more dangerous Riley. Right Jan?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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RINOS can be quite treacherous..!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Couch that photo is hilarious!
How do they put the cuffs on?
And can you imagine the scene in the holding cell where the guy who just robbed a liquor store looks over and says, "Wha'd they get YOU for?"
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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They have shot two black bears in the northeastern suburbs of Vancouver in the last week. Those suburbs abut what for practical purposes is mountain wilderness. Given that we had a late spring and poor summer, the berry harvest may be marginal this year, which will mean all the more pressure on bears to forage in the frontier zones. The humans forget that they've moved into a zone which is also frontcountry, next door to wilderness, and that it's the home of bears, cougars, coyotes, and other foragers. Not to mention occasional forest fires. Managing that zone is an increasing problem, not helped by naivete on the part of many humans.
Cougars seem a greater threat to humans in Squamish than black bears. Luckily the grizzly bears that aren't far from Squamish are pretty shy.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Couchmaster-
It is my belief that the yeti are bears from Tibet which are very similar to grizzlies. Messner did a good job on that kind of research.
The tales of them being apes are the result of mixing Tibetan folklore concerning the origins of the human race (half Ape and half female goddess) and the terror that is the yeti.
Whatever it is, one killed a friend's 800 pound ox and lifted it over a stone wall and then drug it half a mile one memorable night in Rolwaling, after first trying to break through the roof of the family's house.
There are fewer and fewer encounters now, I believe, because the Chinese have killed bears along with most of the other wildlife of Tibet.
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apogee
climber
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"Thirdly, the State is broke, and subsequently, DFG manpower is diminished. They do not have the personnel to follow up on these people whom are feeding the animals. THIS HAS TO CHANGE!"
Sounds like as long as the gov't agency relates to an interest of yours, it's a 'good' form of gov't that should be preserved and enhanced. What if it's an gov't agency that doesn't align itself with your interests, or you disagree with (i.e. OSHA, maybe)?
In any case, good on ya for getting involved. Not nearly enough of that kind of initiative these days.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Don’t kid yourself. Bears have for decades (centuries?) gone to great lengths to get human food. Many old cabins in Yosemite have bruin baffles to lock up food and grain (Snow Creek Cabin & Merced Lake RS, ect.). Conventional homes without special measures like this in bear habitat are always going to get broken into by opportunistic bears. Don’t blame the bears.
Whenever bears broke into my cabin in Yosemite, I just scared them off. When a bear strolled into the Ahwahnee dinning room one afternoon, we sacred it off. Black bears in the Sierra are like a feral dog coming to a BBQ - no intent to harm people, ever.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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According to Professor George C. Frison (the "Paleoarchaeologist of the 20th Century" and Fellow of the National Academy of Sciences), there is plenty of archaeological evidence that man-bear encounters have been going on for all discernable archaeological history. Basically, man and bears are incompatible and are attempting to occupy the same ecological niche.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Last time I stayed at Lower Pines a mother bear swatted a camper causing minor injury.
It was captured the following night, but not before the yearling cub was caught first and catterwaulled for a few hours.
They can really raise the dead, quite the racket.
The mother was taken and destroyed and the cub released.
According to the ursine manager in Yosemite Valley male bears of breeding age are rarer and get more mercy.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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"destroyed" is a stupid term
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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The underlying problem isn't so simple to solve. That being that the population of black bears in the Sierra has doubled in the last few decades. LIttle wondering that they're trying to expand their niche.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A community of hairless apes
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Haha,
I always know when it's cragman being quoted by the usage of "whom."
:)
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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"destroyed" is a stupid term
ms55401, ever see what 12 bore slugs do?
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Bruce-
I was merely quoting Professor Frison; there was plenty of evidence of bears invading caves in France where early Cromagnon humans were devastated by bears. The gnaw marks on the bones of human remains, etc.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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SEND IN BILLY THE EXTERMINATOR! WOOT!
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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And you think bears are bad!
Wild elephants rampage in Kailali
A herd of wild elephants has dismantled 20-22 houses at different places in the east of Kailali district for the past two days, according to RSS.
Area Police Office, Tikapur, informed RSS that a group of about 35 wild elephants dismantled mud houses at different places including the camp of freed Kamaiyas at Tikapur Municipalty-9, Bijayanagar, Sitapur VDC- 8, Shahipur and Jagatpur village of Durgauli VDC.
The tuskers have spread terror among the locals. It is said the herd of wild elephants goes to the nearby forest during the daytime and enters the villages at night.
The rampaging wild elephants have also destroyed paddy and maize crops.
Locals of the area are compelled to spend whole night awake, keeping vigil for fear of elephant rampage.
It is expected that the herd of wild elephants might have come from the Bardiya National Park and the adjoining Duduwa National Park of India. nepalnews.com
http://www.nepalnews.com/archive/2011/sep/sep05/news01.php
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