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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Side-note: Milestone Alert!!! My son just took his first crap in a toilet. It was a double tap!
LOL
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Oh, Obama had every right according to US law and I'm glad he did. But, he violated many international laws. It's Israeli law to go into foreign countries to elimate terrorists, so it would be just fine if they did it here..... right????
Maybe UncleDoug should worry about my friends in the Mossad (jk).
Bwahahahahahaahaha
The evil one
Fattrad and Bluey--good job on exposing the hypocrisy and ignorance on the part of those who believe that Obama and the kill squad complied with Pakastani and International law. Keep up the good work.
Most people don't seem to care, and a few particularly ignorant posters seem to think that Congress can somehow override international law and those of other, soverign countries, but maybe someone will learn something.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Seriously guys let's be reasonable! bluering demands it!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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I'm totally serious too, granite. It was a bloop-bloop, and me and him looked at each other in astonishment. It was priceless! He was worried and I was shocked at the development.
Eat sh#t, Osama Bin Laden.
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nature
climber
Krabi, Thailand
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DMT is on a roll in this thread.
p0wned!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Now, for all you chihuahuas of war, President Obama has more leverage against Pakistan than at any point in the Bush admin. Now they can press for other high level hide outs.
President Obama seems to have managed a brilliant operation conducted on his personal orders.
COMMANDERS do that. They take decisions and take the consequences. Violation of International Law? Send your wig wearing attorney to the Haig and file the f*#king charges, m kay?
Lol.
Totally agree. And it doesn't make as many headlines, but under Obama the drone-zaps in Pakistan have been outstanding and countless. I say, "Nice job!".
Another violation of Int'l law and sovereignty? I don't really care!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Kinda shallow coverage of this altogether. Did they kill everyone in the compound or did the Pakistanis come in and take some prisoners themselves, or did we just fly away and let everyone else go? Will be interesting to find out (if we do) Hopefully they collected some intel from the place.
Peace
Karl
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Karl - others were in the compound and injured. They were treated at the local hospital. For instance, a wife was shot in the leg.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Waterboarding never revealed anything, except how fuked up the Republican mind really is....
You're wrong. Asking for proof of black operations is idiotic. KSM sang like a hairy little bird after about 100 water-board trips. We broke him.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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On the drive home I tuned into local clown radio in LA. Even those whores (my apologies to whores)John and Ken were congratulating Obama for a job Bush couldn't do. Amazing!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Show us definitive proof that waterboarding has yielded actionable intelligence or saved lives...
waiting
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Go ahead, KerBleuy....
Show us definitive proof that waterboarding has yielded actionable intelligence or saved lives...
The evidence has been released. You'll never believe it, but it has been stated that KSM revealed active plots that were eventually dismantled.
Crimpie, I know, that's why I used the term 'double-tap'....
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Coz wrote
I have question for you Karl, Do you think suicide bombings are justified, because America kills civilian, by accident defending herself.
A simple yes or no, will do for me.
Not justified on the suicide bombing question.
It's hard to identify many Guilty people in Iraq though and we killed many, many thousands and millions are homeless refugees. It's become clear that the administration knew they weren't involved in 9-11 nor had WMDs. So that's a lot of killing innocents.
Now answer me this, in some distant future after our economy collapsed or somethign, If an Islamic country somehow invaded the US on false pretenses and occupied the streets with a puppet government in command, what actions of US citizens fighting the occupier would be justified, or that we might do anyway even if not justified?
peace
karl
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monolith
climber
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That's "rendition", silly boy Fattrad, not "redaction".
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Well, "Commander Torture" and his minions have doubts as to whether torture actually led to this intelligence to kill OBL . . .
Rumsfeld: Bin Laden Info From Gitmo Detainees Was Not Obtained Through ‘Harsh Treatment’
Source: Think Progress
Rumsfeld: Bin Laden Info From Gitmo Detainees Was Not Obtained Through ‘Harsh Treatment’ Or ‘Waterboarding’
The New York Times reported today that some of the information that led U.S. intelligence officials to ultimately determine Osama bin Laden’s whereabouts was obtained from detainees at Guantanamo Bay:
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Dick Cheney said today that “it wouldn’t be surprising” the intel came from Bush’s torture program. However, there is currently no evidence to suggest that the detainees that provided the information that led to bin Laden were subject to torture. And Bush Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who presumably has some knowledge about what went on at Gitmo, today threw some cold water on this theory:
*“The United States Department of Defense did not do waterboarding for interrogation purposes to anyone. It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance. But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.”
Without any evidence, and without Rumsfeld’s blessing, it seems like conservatives are going to have to work a little bit harder at trying to take credit for bin Laden’s death.
Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/02/rumsfeld-bin-laden-gitmo
Intelligence through the torture of human beings is immoral, and you know it. There are other ways. Be smart. There are no reasons we as a nation have to stoop to their level and become barbaric. It's all 100% USDA Bovine Dung to do so and to make any argument that we should.
It's all Bull.
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nature
climber
Krabi, Thailand
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I'd pay good money for that.
Though I suggest we put fattrad on the board as well. For reasons of principle only, of course.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Ok Jeff, I read the CNN article.
Not one word in there about waterboarding.
Answer AC's question: Prove that waterboarding produced actionable intelligence.
You have NOT, thus far, dipwad.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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The president's men said right there on the TV they did not tell Pakistani officials about this operation until after the men were out of the country.
A slight point, but this statement doesn't mean that there wasn't a previous agreement in place that would allow the US to enter the country to get Bin Laden whenever he was found.
Another fine point. We could have been attempting to capture him alive, to put him on trial, and the circumstances didn't allow for that to happen. Not that I necessarily believe this, but that point could be made. Which would make this an arrest attempt gone wrong, and these things happen. So we didn't necessarily break any international law.
Whereas torture is clearly against international law.
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