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Brokedownclimber
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Douglas, WY
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A.C.-
That was a good one, and hard to dispute.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oh GOODY, Jeff!
Maybe you will FINALLY get what you want!
WAR!
CONFLICT!
MASSIVE NUMBERS OF MUSLIM CIVILIANS KILLED!
You, Jeff, are a paper Jew, a chicken hawk, who childishly cheerleads for "conflict".
You ought to grow up, move to Israel and join the army.
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ahad aham
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oh no fats! even the extremely pro israel ny times is starting to provide a platform for long overdue and legitimate critism of your favorite ethnocracy. The Jan 25 revolt, even if it fails, is a game changer in the middle east:
"...the core of what is the American interest in this [Egypt]. It’s Israel. It’s not worry about whether the Egyptians are going to close down the Suez Canal, or even the narrower terror issue. It really can be distilled down to one thing, and that’s Israel.
The problem for America is, you can balance being the carrier for the Israeli agenda with Arab autocrats, but with Arab democracies, you can’t do that."
Daniel Levy, Israeli negotiator & critic of occupation
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/05/world/middleeast/05israel.html
your fellow neocons and hasbarists are having a hard time with this. pitty them.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jeff, regarding your "question".
Really sophomoric.
Do some reading for yourself.
Maybe YOU can "figure out" why the Taliban destroyed the Buddas.
DUH
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ahad aham
Trad climber
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Robert Fisk has lived and reported from the Middle East for as long as I can remember and then some;
"The demonstrators in Cairo and Alexandria and Port Said, of course, are nonetheless entering a period of great fear. Their "Day of Departure" on Friday – predicated on the idea that if they really believed Mubarak would leave last week, he would somehow follow the will of the people – turned yesterday into the "Day of Disillusion". They are now constructing a committee of economists, intellectuals, "honest" politicians to negotiate with Vice-President Omar Suleiman – without apparently realising that Suleiman is the next safe-pair-of-hands general to be approved by the Americans, that Suleiman is a ruthless man who will not hesitate to use the same state security police as Mubarak relied upon to eliminate the state's enemies in Tahrir Square."
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-mubarak-is-going-he-is-on-the-cusp-of-final-departure-2205852.html
many posts ago Lost made some important points on Suleiman. This is Clinton, Wisner, and Obamas idea of "change" ? Protestors aren't buying it. Out with Mubarak means out with the regime. Obama will have to try harder
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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God bless Caribou Barbie.
And bless John McCain for showing his deep vetting by carefully picking her to be his
Vice President.
McCain's mature judgement handed the Presidency to Obama in an electoral landslide.
All the dumb fuker had to do was pick someone, anyone else and he had a chance.
Plenty of seasoned Republican women governors he could have picked from.
What a loser.
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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McCain would have crushed Obama with anyone else.
fatty never misses a chance to troll.
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jstan
climber
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The present absence of interest on the far right for democratizing 80,000,000 ME people when they were willing to borrow Chinese money to run up the debt and fund a war to democratize 40,000,000 ME people
suggests no one has figured out how to make money off Egypt. To paraphrase Gandalf,
"This gives one hope, does it not?"
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Well, I think Obama STILL would have won, perhaps not an electoral landslide.
But, you know Jeff, McCain's choice of Palin really was shocking as it showed how
incredibly shallow McCain's judgement is.
He NEVER "vetted" her.
Can you imagine what a horrible President he would have been?
Blindly, stupidly picking cabinet level candidates who were as grossly ignorant and
unqualified as his Palin pick.
And what is even more shocking is how YOU and people like YOU, went into the voting booth and voted for him and Palin.
What poor judgement you have. Just like McCain.
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jstan
climber
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In 2008 nearly 50% of the people voted for a party whose performance brought us, demonstrably, to the next to last step in the ladder. The next step down requires the US Army to be directing traffic at every intersection in the US. And a president with dictatorial power.
It is we who are broken.
Possibly beyond repair.
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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Sharia law will never happen in Egypt.
Egyptians want religious freedom, as shown by their protection of the Christians in the protests.
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couchmaster
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pdx
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The present absence of interest on the far right for democratizing 80,000,000 ME people when they were willing to borrow Chinese money to run up the debt and fund a war to democratize 40,000,000 ME people
Jstan, China is not the lender of last resort now. The Fed has recently passed both China and Japan as the largest holders of dollars. Who is the fed you might want to ask, and what will they get out of this recent quantitative easing that they suggested, largess?
I'd suggest to start with that inflation will not be something wanted or desired by those in power.
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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fatty never misses a chance to troll.
i am beginning to think that LEB=fatrad.....or fatrad=LEB, however, one wishes to visualize it....
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Egypt: New accreditation rules; military obstructs media
Source: CPJ Committee to Protect Journalists
New York, February 7, 2011—
Egyptian authorities have shifted their strategy for obstructing the press as protests enter their 14th day: The military has become the predominant force detaining journalists and confiscating their equipment rather than plainclothes police or government supporters, the Committee to Protect Journalists said today. Authorities have also put in place new bureaucratic obstacles for journalists covering the anti-Mubarak protests on Tahrir Square, with the military instructing reporters to seek new press credentials from the government.
"We hold the Egyptian military directly responsible for ongoing systematic efforts to restrict the work of journalists and for the mistreatment of journalists who have been taken into custody," said Mohamed Abdel Dayem, CPJ's Middle East and North Africa program coordinator. "We call on the Egyptian military and the government to respect the work of the press, release any journalist in custody, and immediately investigate allegations of abuse and mistreatment."
Foreign editors in the U.S. as well as reporters in Egypt have told CPJ that the government is confiscating press cards and other types of identification and are asking journalists to go to the Ministry of Information to apply for new temporary credentials. Multiple journalists told CPJ that they have been told to acquire accreditation from the government, including one who said he was told by the same thing by the U.S. Embassy in Cairo. (CPJ was unable to reach the embassy to confirm.)
"The sudden change in policy regarding press credentials is simply the latest effort to restrict the work of journalists, many of whom have already been beaten by mobs and detained by authorities," added Joel Simon, CPJ executive director.
Local journalists told CPJ that the military is obstructing journalists and refusing many entry into Tahrir Square. Al-Jazeera reported on the air that "individuals who have cameras or food are often prevented from reaching the square."
Journalists are also reporting that they have been mistreated while in custody. Here are some firsthand accounts, and a roundup of new attacks on the press:
•Bloggers and lawyers told CPJ that authorities detained Abdel Karim Suleiman--known online as Karim Amer--at some point in the early morning hours in Cairo today. Amer completed a four-year prison sentence on charges of insulting Islam and President Hosni Mubarak in late 2010.
•Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty reporters Robert Tait and Abdelilah Nuaimi, both British citizens, were released on Sunday and left Egypt, according to a statement released by the U.S. government-funded RFE/RL. The journalists were detained on February 4. Tait was reported as saying that "whatever official statements you might hear about the situation of detained journalists, we were not treated well."
•Journalists Souad Mekhennet and Nicholas Kulish, who were detained on Thursday and released 24 hours later, wrote in the New York Times about intimidation and mistreatment by the plainclothes officers who held them. "We felt powerless--uncertain about where and how long we would be held. But the worst part had nothing to do with our treatment. It was seeing--and in particular hearing through the walls of this dreadful facility--the abuse of Egyptians at the hands of their own government." They added, "Many journalists shared this experience, and many were kept in worse conditions--some suffering from injuries as well."
•Military authorities detained Al-Jazeera English correspondent Ayman Mohyeldin in Tahrir Square for nine hours on Sunday, according to the network. "It was just the mere fact that I was a journalist who was trying to go into Liberation Square that seemed to be enough for them to take me for further questioning." Mohyeldin told Al-Jazeera.
•Sherine Tadros, an Al-Jazeera English correspondent, was held at a military checkpoint on Sunday, but released within an hour, according to news reports.
•Liam Stack, who has been stringing for the New York Times, was also briefly detained on Sunday and tweeted that authorities confiscated his camera.
•Marion Touboul, a French journalist living in Cairo, told the independent daily Al-Masri al-Youm that she was arrested on Saturday while trying to return home. "I was not working, and I had no camera on me, but a sinister-looking guy asked to see my ID and answered my phone. He said to my boyfriend, who was on the line, that I was hurt, so he would get there quickly. We both got arrested," she recounted. She added that both were blindfolded and taken by military police to Nasr City, a Cairo neighborhood. They were held for eight hours before being released. "We were not brutalized at all. This was clearly intimidation," said Touboul, who works for the Franco-German broadcaster Arte.
•On Friday, plainclothes security forces stormed the offices of Ikhwan Online, a news website associated with the Muslim Brotherhood, according to news reports. Twelve journalists were detained and taken to the Ministry of Interior. Security forces, along with a pro-Mubarak mob, searched the news website's offices, confiscating some 30 computers and various notes and documents, according to Ahmad Subai, a journalist at the website. Six of the journalists were released late on Friday. This came after similar attacks in recent days against the offices of other independent dailies and weeklies, like Al-Shorouk and Al-Badil.
•Also on Friday, Amira Ahmed, business editor at The Daily News Egypt, was attacked by a pro-Mubarak mob, according to news reports. "It was terrifying," Ahmed told the Guardian. "They were chanting: 'We've found the foreigners, don't let them go,' and calling us traitors and spies. When I pointed out to them that I was Egyptian, they responded: 'Your Egypt isn't the same as ours.'"
In all, CPJ has documented at least 140 direct attacks on journalists and news facilities since January 30, and is investigating numerous other reports.
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Then there is bringing back [never went away] OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD: looks like lessons learned under Omar Suleiman and repeating them, so be careful on what you hear/read from the region. Palin would be good start, love her commentaries and analysis. I think she knows where Egypt is, maybe not.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Yes, Fatty and who will be supplying the ammo.
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ahad aham
Trad climber
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"We hope the protests are for the best. But you act as if you know -- and you do not know."
well Frum certainly knows, after all he was one of the neocon cheerleaders for Bush's Iraq fiasco. Even too far right of the American Enterprise Institute...is that even possible? He did coin the catchy "Axis of Evil" slogan...just got the countries wrong
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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Oh no, its the WMD fear mongering again.
Do you want us to bomb Egypt, Fattrad?
And don't you agree Mubarak should go if he's involved in WMD's and sending missle technology to NKorea, right?
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