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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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May 18, 2016 - 05:24pm PT
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I think it's awesome.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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May 18, 2016 - 05:32pm PT
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It's so awesome..... this has been in the making for years.
"Locker... I have said all along. Anybody except a BUSH or a CLINTON..."...
I obviously wasn't paying the closest attention...
;-)
Please go back and look for me will ya.... and pay attention, Locker, this is important stuff.
And to Norton..... President Obama has been pretty good about gun control, at least no worse than any other president I can recall.
But remember HILLERY wants to take em away, she says Australia did a good job.... think about that.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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May 18, 2016 - 06:11pm PT
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I'll make you a deal, we let her close the gaping, hellish, gun show loophole if you promise to never, ever, never, try to pass any further gun control legislation. Ever.
With the gun show loophole being such a significant part of the problem with guns in America, let's close that.
But you have to promise that is the last of it.
What say ye?
EDIT: Crickets, just as I thought.
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Sparky
Trad climber
vagabond movin on
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May 18, 2016 - 07:41pm PT
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Dear Hillary Supporters,
When we tell you that we are only voting for Bernie and will not vote for your candidate in the general election, we are not asking for your agreement nor are we looking for an argument. The reason we tell you is because we know how important it is to you that your party wins the general election. We know you fear a Trump presidency the way we fear a Clinton presidency. We are giving you notice before the convention, so you won't be surprised at our lack of support for Hillary if you were to nominate her. We're telling you this while you still have the opportunity to support Bernie Sander's nomination, so your party can win by including us.
Insult us however you want. It's not open for discussion. We are not bluffing. We don't trust her. Her words are meaningless. There is nothing she can say to change our minds. No "buts". We will vote for Bernie if his name is on the ballot. If it isn't we will write him in. Those of us who can't write him in might vote for the Green Party candidate Jill Stein or not at all.
We can all be united with your party if you nominate Bernie. You're on your own if you nominate her.
Sincerely,
The Independents, Conservatives, Republicans, Greens, Bernie-only Democrats, who have started the political revolution
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 18, 2016 - 07:46pm PT
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Fixed that for you...
Sincerely,
The delusional who would sit on a sharpened stake out of spite...
...and possibly tilt the Supreme Court to the right for a generation or two in the process taking with it the only true ultimate defense any progressive agenda for decades to come.
The new Naderites: we prefer losing the war when we can't win a battle (the ignorance is palpable).
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Sparky
Trad climber
vagabond movin on
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May 18, 2016 - 07:49pm PT
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I won’t for Hillary – sorry, maybe Trump is what we deserve. Hillary would just continue the slow excruciating suffocation of the middle class, while her corporate buddies continue their plunder.
She’s got a loooooong history of making bad decisions and then apologizing for them later – gay rights, minority rights, wars, trade deals – no thank you.
She’s cozy with the big banks and wall street, clearly preferring their $$ to shoring up the American populace (or the Haitian populace…or the Libyan populace or…)-no thank you.
She employs former lobbyists from wallstreet, private prisons and the defense industry in her organization – those are the people whispering in her ear – no thank you.
She hasn’t met a interventionist conflict she hasn’t liked – Iraq, Libya, Syria… – no thank you.
She loves that dirty $$ from the dirty power industry and hasn’t met a fracking well she didn’t like. She was for the Keystone pipeline and probably still is – no thank you.
The only reason Hillary has moved to the left in this Primary season is because Bernie Sanders with EVERYONE (Media/DNC/establishment politicians against him) has pulled her kicking and screaming to the left. She prefers being a “moderate” democrat – read that as “liberal republican” (aka: Reagan Democrat) – despite the hatred of her by the conservatives, who by the way, will continue to hold the congress and then re-gerrymander districts in 2020 – if she is elected.
She is not the best choice – definitely not the Progressive choice.
Bernie has the formula – Bernie has the momentum – Bernie even has the Respect of some high profile Republicans (John McCain – for his work with veterans) – he also has a plan to implement his proposals (Hint: it involves us – yes, we are an integral part of his Presidency)
Bernie Sanders is the Best Choice.
The ONLY choice for me and thousands like me.
Because we’re sick of voting for the “least” worse – a throw away vote if there ever was one – #BernieorBust
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 18, 2016 - 07:52pm PT
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Bernie has NOTHING - he can't deliver a signed law on a single one of his progressive promises - not a one, because he won't have the votes in a gop house. Personally, I find the fact you and your kind would sacrifice the Supreme Court to your delusion despicable.
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kattz
climber
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May 18, 2016 - 07:52pm PT
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I think Sanders is now trying to blackmail democrats for Vice President appointment, but in reality his game is over.
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Sparky
Trad climber
vagabond movin on
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May 18, 2016 - 07:57pm PT
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I will not vote for Hilary if her campaign paid me. We do not need incremental change, what did that accomplish during the Obama years? A minimum wage that is still stagnant, a healthcare system that forces you in to it, even if I can’t afford it, the fact that insurance companies are still setting their prices with no repercussions.
Man of change, FDR, MLK, Malcolm X, JFK, can u imagine if FDR would have said “We can only provide social security, incrementally” or MLK “I have a dream… a little dream that will incrementally get better” or JFK “We aren’t doing this because it is easy, it’s hard so, we will go to the moon, incrementally” I don’t see the crowd rallying up with them if they spoke like this.
I understandably, we know that the goals we’ve set up will not be done right away, or that it will be easy. My realization regarding this primary is, the Democratic Party has become the new Republican party, we leftist are now the “naive, big dreams” who “don’t know how politics work” when in actuality, we do, and we are tired of following the corporatist, elitist Democratic Party z who care not about the poor and keep on giving tax cuts to the wealthy and the Hollywood elite, the Republican became the “Religious extremist party” and the real progressive have become abandoned by both political parties.
Shame on you Healyje for settling in perpetual corporate ownership. Have some vision kid. Have some conviction for heaven sake!
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kattz
climber
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May 18, 2016 - 08:02pm PT
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Philadelphia convention visit will go like this:
"I came in and was attacked by 5 members of fat acceptance movement...they bashed me on the head with chairs, took my wallet, all money and credit cards while shouting 'You're not with Bernie!'...the cops came and they started saying they're on mental disability and Trump took their meds away so the cops can't touch them or they're gonna sue"
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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May 18, 2016 - 08:13pm PT
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Voting Jill Stein makes you a Trump booster.
There is no revolution. Unless rallies are a revolution.
Rally crowds don't equal votes. She has 3+ million more.
You leftists voted for Ralph Nader and gave us George W. Bush. Fools never learn.
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kattz
climber
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May 18, 2016 - 08:18pm PT
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From what the leftists are saying now...If Trump is elected, everything can and will be blamed on him in the future....say, the neighbor not mowing the lawn...here you go. "Ever since Trump became the President, my (neighbor/spouse/child/parent/dog/coworker/Jesus/God/Putin/ISIS/Chinese Government) had been (insert wrongdoing here) ... "
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 18, 2016 - 08:23pm PT
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Again - Bernie can't deliver on a single promise - NOT ONE.
I'm not voting for Hillary - I'm voting for the Supreme Court which is where any progressive law passed in the next thirty years is going to end up.
Chumps for Trump - because we prefer ideas without signed laws over laws which can withstand ideologue challenges from the right.
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dirtbag
climber
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May 18, 2016 - 09:24pm PT
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You leftists voted for Ralph Nader and gave us George W. Bush. Fools never learn.
Yep. Trump would probably be worse than Bush.
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dirtbag
climber
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May 18, 2016 - 09:34pm PT
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Sparky, Clinton wants those things too, but she hasn't listed them because they simply cannot be accomplished with a right wing congress. She is advocating incremental changes, which are still going to be tough to accomplish.
Bernie has been blowing smoke out of his ass the past 8 months and setting his followers up for disillusionment, even if he won. In this respect, Hillary is being much more forthright wth voters than Bernie. He simply cannot get things on his agenda done, but he can depress voter turnout enough to ensure congress remains right wing, and perhaps a trump presidency ensues, if he doesn't call for unity.
Make no mistake: a trump presidency would be the antithesis of everything sanders has advocated. And as healyje keeps hammering, there is an opportunity to finally flip the court.
Defeat trump and the right wing: vote for Hillary.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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May 19, 2016 - 05:35am PT
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You leftists voted for Ralph Nader and gave us George W. Bush. Fools never learn.
No, we got Bush because people don't vote for what they want, they vote for the corporate puppet they dislike the least. Keep voting for Wall Street's chosen one if you must, but that is the fool's game.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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May 19, 2016 - 08:11am PT
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And then he will announce he's running independent.
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