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Happiegrrrl2
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Of course you will post whatever you wish, Toyman. Never suggested you should be exempt form freedom of speech.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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dirt posted I don't know: 67% don't like him. Those folks taking the survey aren't just republicans, who are more likely to support anyone not named Clinton, those folks are general voting public. Hillary isn't popular either: 52% dislike her, but this will be a lesser of two evils type of election.
The voting takes place in 8 months. These polls are evidence of what is happening now and little else. Right now the whole world and 2/3 of the Republican Party is tearing into Trump and he's still winning. The majority of the Republicans who disfavor him will change their tune, especially when Trump is saying horrible things about someone they hate (Clinton) instead of someone they like or kind of like.
Happie posted Never suggested you should be exempt form freedom of speech.
"Freedom of speech" prohibits the government from telling someone to shut up. The rest of us are free to do so. I'm not saying we should, it's just a commonly misreferenced "right."
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dirtbag
climber
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Right now the whole world and 2/3 of the Republican Party is tearing into Trump and he's still winning
They've been tearing into him for only about 2 weeks. There is a lot more damage to be done to his likability. And while the election is 8 months out, the simple fact is that those are absolutely horrible numbers for a presidential candidate to be sporting this early. Most candidates are usually more or less liked at this point.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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"Freedom of speech" prohibits the government from telling someone to shut up. The rest of us are free to do so. I'm not saying we should, it's just a commonly misreferenced "right."
I find it refreshing to see someone accurately state that principle, which you've largely done, although some rulings require "public places" on private property to allow expression the property owner wishes to suppress. Thus far, no such ruling has applied to cyberspace. Accordingly, those who decry online interferance with "freedom of speech" usually miss the point.
John
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pud
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Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Werner, almost every one of your posts begs the same question.
Why do you stay in this country?
That sort of rhetoric reminds me of the "If you don't vote, you have no right to complain" and "If you don't like it, leave" stuff. We have the right to free speech here in this country, and personally I would much rather have someone making pretty nonthreatening mocking statements about my beliefs in our governmental systems than be have a Donald Trump type posting in the forums.
Practically every one of werner's posts include a complaint about the U.S.
I don't particularly care what he thinks, I just find it strange that he would choose to stay in a place he obviously dislikes.
In the same sentence you want free speech but, only if everyone agrees with you.
I'm not sure what a "donald Trump type" is but I'm guessing it's anyone with a perspective different than yours.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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dirtbag posted They've been tearing into him for only about 2 weeks. There is a lot more damage to be done to his likability. And while the election is 8 months out, the simple fact is that those are absolutely horrible numbers for a presidential candidate to be sporting this early. Most candidates are usually more or less liked at this point.
If he clinches the nomination and the RNC doesn't decide to rend itself in two about it I think you'll see a dramatic change. People's opinions are pretty labile. There was all kinds of drama about if Clinton voters would support Obama or not.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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I stand corrected. The distinction has never occurred to me before.
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Norton
Social climber
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with some 26 Senate seats to defend it is the Republicans turn to sweat out an election
Trump vs Clinton down ticket voting will very likely turn the Senate Democratic
The House will remain in Republican control likely until at least 2022 when the changing demographics could at least equalize the perfect Repub gerrymandering
the Democrats inability to win less than national elections seems very largely a result
of their voters' apathy to show up at mid term elections
why? why do the Repubs get their people to the polls in mid terms in significantly higher numbers than Democrats?
Is it because motivating your base to vote is a lot easier when the emotions of hatred are employed or is it because the city and state Democratic Party organizations are so pathetically ineffective at getting out the message that when Dems show up they win
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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I don't particularly care what he thinks, I just find it strange that he would choose to stay in a place he obviously dislikes.
In the fourteen years I've been here, I've never heard Werner say he dislikes this country. Now his thoughts on stoopid 'mericans, that's a different subject.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Wener is on to something. In a poll of 33 counties tabulating the percentage of people who believe in evolution we finished 32nd. brhind Iran and barely in front of Turkey.
We have one of the most beautiful countries on the planet.....can't say that about a lot of the inhabitants....look at the support for a clown like Trump.
Bellylaughs abound around the globe.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Is it because motivating your base to vote is a lot easier when the emotions of hatred are employed or is it because the city and state Democratic Party organizations are so pathetically ineffective at getting out the message that when Dems show up they win
More like Democrats wanting things handed to them rather than putting forth the effort it takes to affect change.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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ust as I thought, even you yourself do not support "real freedom."
I love it. You equate freedom to anarchy, Then you use river pollution as the litmus test for freedom. Then claim I'm the one that's small minded.
No wonder socialism appeals to you so much.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Still haven't seen your definition.
Stating that "your body of blogging work" doesn't quite cut it.
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Norton
Social climber
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More like Democrats wanting things handed to them rather than putting forth the effort it takes to affect change.
strange conclusion, Pud
especially considering that Democrats DO show up in numbers that swamp Republicans in the every four years national elections
so by your logic, Republicans want "things handed to them" when they don't
support their candidates by being too lazy to vote in the Presidential elections, having lost five of the last six popular vote margins
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Escopeta I love it. You equate freedom to anarchy, Then you use river pollution as the litmus test for freedom. Then claim I'm the one that's small minded.
No, just trolling.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Escopeta writes:
I love it. You equate freedom to anarchy, Then you use river pollution as the litmus test for freedom. Then claim I'm the one that's small minded.
First, I did not equate freedom to anarchy. I asked you what you meant by "real freedom," and said that to me it sounded like anarchy. Either you don't read very well, or you're trying to play word games.
And for the record, I never said you were small minded. Another attempt at putting words in my mouth. That might work when you deal with your mother, but I'm not your mother.
If you go back and read what I said, you'll find I'm trying to figure out what you meant by "real freedom." Because you didn't answer directly, I went with what I thought that meant--anarchy. And, given that you don't yourself believe in anarchy, I said your quote about it sounded dopey.
Now, I'll say this: If you want to debate like a an informed adult, it's best if you behave like one.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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k-man posted Either you don't read very well, or you're trying to play word games.
Or a third option that I keep trying to point out to you.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Now, I'll say this: If you want to debate like a an informed adult, it's best if you behave like one
is that what you are doing? I said I was ready for the next question. Hit me with your next freedom litmus test.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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More like Democrats wanting things handed to them rather than putting forth the effort it takes to affect change.
strange conclusion, Pud
especially considering that Democrats DO show up in numbers that swamp Republicans in the every four years national elections
so by your logic, Republicans want "things handed to them" when they don't
support their candidates by being too lazy to vote in the Presidential elections, having lost five of the last six popular vote margins
Norton, I know there's little we agree on but, can you give me a better reason your party currently seems to rally against the GOP only on social media?
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