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HighTraverse
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Bay Area
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Sep 18, 2014 - 10:09am PT
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survival
Funny you should ask.
Although there seems to be nothing shaking on the Bundy front things are not so rosy for the Recapture Canyon gang.
The "co-conspirators" have just been brought up on Federal charges.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58403975-78/canyon-ride-blm-lyman.html.csp
Including a San Juan County Commissioner - Phil Lyman
The five defendants, all current or former San Juan County residents, were charged with "operation of off-road vehicles on public lands closed to vehicles" and conspiracy, offenses that carry up to one year in jail and $100,000 in fines.
None was charged with damaging archaeological sites, but prosecutors said the investigation remains open.
The defendants include Monte Wells, Shane Marian, Franklin Holliday and Jay Redd. The men are ordered to appear Oct. 17 before U.S. Magistrate Evelyn Furse.
Redd, who now lives in Santa Clara, is the son of the late James Redd, the Blanding physician who took his life five years ago after his arrest in an BLM investigation into artifacts trafficking.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 18, 2014 - 10:17am PT
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^^^^^ GUD. ^^^^^
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Sep 18, 2014 - 10:46pm PT
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My college gf and I we're cruising down some az highway late one night. She was driving, came around a curve right into a herd of cows. To her credit, she slalomed through a few before hitting one right in the head. It instantly dropped dead in its tracks in the middle of the road. Worried that someone else would crash into the carcass we drove to the next town and called the sherriff (pre cell phone era-the horror!!) He took all our info and a few weeks later the rancher sent me a bill for the cow!!! Needless to say I wrote him back and told him to f*#k off. However, I think probably legally he was in the right.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 18, 2014 - 11:24pm PT
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Laughable lawsuit at best- Nevada for the most is OPEN range lands, JUST LIKE all those friggin feral horses running around. Just had another horse vs car by me the other day- no one sues the state or feds over those.
If people didn't drive with their heads up their hiney and mind over Montana maybe they wouldn't hot so many beasts.
EXCEPT if someone is injured as a result of a crime....which Cliven is committing.
ooops!
But as usual, Rong is immediately ready to blame it on the human, although he has ABSOLUTELY NO PERSONAL KNOWLEGE of the case. He obviously knows that NV people are stupider than cows.....
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Sep 19, 2014 - 08:51am PT
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I grew up and drove for many years and thousands of backroad miles all over Utaaaahhhhr. I don't remember a law about owning a struck cow. But I wouldn't be surprised given the power of the BullSh#t lobby (cute how SuperTopo's webpage knows to insert a # sign to sanitize a cuss word) in those parts.
Whacking a cow never happened to me but.....
Short of college money I sold my cherry and souped up '65 Triumph Spitfire to a friend and got his 59 Ford sedan as a bonus.
Not long afterwards he was taking a date for a moonlight drive in the range cattle infested hills. Suddenly there was a cow straight ahead!
Anyone remember how LOW that Spitfire was? Makes a Mazda Miata look like Kareem Abdul Jabbar (look that up in your Way Back Machine)
So, unable to brake or dodge in time, under they went. They ducked, the windshield was torn off and the hood dented. The cow flipped over the trunk deck. Stopping and looking back they saw the cow/steer/whatever pick itself up and wander off in the moonlight.
Udderly disgusting.
Or at least that's how Andy explained crunching "my" Spitfire.
Andy fixed the car and since he was having the hood straightened he added really sexy hood louvres.
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doughnutnational
Gym climber
its nice here in the spring
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Sep 19, 2014 - 09:06am PT
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I used to work in a nursing home in Auberry Ca. and the access road had a free range cattle sign. One of the nurses hit a cow on the way to a night shift and she did indeed have to pay for the cow. The rancher who owned the cow was a decent guy and processed the deceased cow and gave her the meat that was still useable. Between the cost of the cow and the damage to her car she said it was the most expensive "free" range beef she ever ate.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Sep 19, 2014 - 09:20am PT
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I dunno about anywhere else, but I was always told if you hit a cow on the open range highway, you bought said cow.
Well if it's MY cow after I hit it, they won't mind if'n I butcher a couple hunnert pounds off MY cow and throw it in MY trunk.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Sep 19, 2014 - 03:03pm PT
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Udderly disgusting
Good one.
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hashbro
Trad climber
Mental Physics........
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Sep 22, 2014 - 08:52pm PT
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http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/cliven-bundy-chutzpah-he-blames-government-for-his-cow-severely-injuring-woman
Cliven Bundy's Chutzpah: He Blames Government for His Cow Severely Injuring Woman
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MARK KARLIN, EDITOR OF BUZZFLASH AT TRUTHOUT
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Cliven Bundy is such an extreme caricature of egregious hypocrisy - not to mention being a crass racist - that he appears to be the invention of a cynical satirist. Alas, he's not.
Given how quickly the news cycle moves, here's a brief review of the Bundy farce. He's the Nevada rancher that became an icon of defiance of the government when he refused to pay grazing fees for his cattle to the Bureau of Land Management. The Bureau impounded Bundy's cows that were feeding themselves on federal land, because he owed more than a million dollars to the Bureau.
Bundy took to the media, and soon, armed militias - whose members believe government is an evil force that encroaches on their "God-given" rights - swarmed to "protect" Bundy from law enforcement officials and Bureau of Land Management officers. After a brief stand-off, the militarized swat teams and police stood down and essentially abandoned the area to Bundy's supporters, who continued to surround his ranch, acting as a de facto rebel military force. This included the setting up of armed check points. If these forces were in another nation defying US authority, they would be considered “militants” and targeted by drones.
Furthermore, the Bureau of Land Management - in full retreat - released Bundy's herd to again roam freely on federal land.
That brings us up to date in order to understand the implications of an article that appeared in the September 17 Las Vegas Review-Journal:
On April 12, a triumphant Cliven Bundy and his supporters chased away federal authorities and set the rancher’s impounded cattle free once more to roam public land in northeast Clark County.
Two days later, a car collided with one of Bundy’s cows on Interstate 15, about 10 miles from his Bunkerville ranch, killing the animal and sending the vehicle careening down an embankment.
Now a Las Vegas woman injured in the crash is suing Bundy for negligence.
The lawsuit filed Sunday in Clark County District Court alleges Bundy “recklessly, carelessly and negligently allowed his cows to enter onto Interstate 15 through an area where he had no grazing or other rights.”
It is imperative to note that the cow was one of those released as the federal government abandoned its stand-off with militia members.
What is Cliven Bundy's response to the lawsuit?
According to the Las Vegas Review-Journal:
"The cow’s owner [Bundy] never arrived on scene after being contacted by NHP [Nevada Highway Patrol] dispatch," the report said.
Bundy had not been served with notice of the lawsuit Wednesday, but he was familiar with the accident. He said it was his cow that was hit, but he denied any responsibility.
He said it is the state’s job to maintain the fence that keeps his livestock off the interstate.
"It’s a state problem. It’s not our problem," Bundy said. "We really feel bad when it happens. We sure don’t want it to happen. But we’re not liable."
Bundy's assertion that the government is liable for a serious accident caused by one of his herd reaches the stratosphere of hypocrisy.
Like many people who want to use government property or services without paying for them in the name of "liberty," Bundy does not want to assume any of the responsibility of those falsely claimed "rights." If ever there were anyone who believed in a "nanny state," it's Cliven Bundy.
Furthermore, Bundy told the Las Vegas Review-Journal that he could, technically, his own claim against the injured party, saying, "The person whose car hit that cow is liable to me."
Bundy's reaction to the accident is not just an occasion for smug derision of a man who managed to defy the federal government; it is a frightening reminder of what happens when right-wing extremists are allowed to break the law. If Bundy was a person of color surrounded by supporters - also people of color - with semi-automatic firearms pointed at the police, would the government have just walked away from the confrontation? The outcome would likely have been far different.
Politicians in Washington, D.C. are spending trillions of dollars on the military and on militarized police to fight "threats to the national security," but they walk away from those "good 'ol (white) boys" who threaten our society from within.
The result is that the Cliven Bundles of the nation feel even more empowered to indulge themselves at the expense of the rest of us.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Sep 22, 2014 - 09:02pm PT
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DMT? Re your above post? Will you cite your (biased) source.
Survey: States with the rudest drivers
1. Idaho
I can't believe Idaho is # 1, unless the source is counting those of us that "flip-off" drivers with Cali plates.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Sep 23, 2014 - 04:48pm PT
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DMT: If I wasn't soooooo-polite, I would tell you where you can put your USA Today article;)
Other than them red-neck ass-holes driving big Dodge Rams, we are very polite people here in Idaho.
You kind of have to be polite here: when you know everyone is carrying a firearm they are more than willing to use on an impolite person.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sep 23, 2014 - 04:53pm PT
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I'm not into sharing the road. All other drivers are an annoying interference and bicyclist's are beyond the pale. So, regardless of where you're from, if you see me coming, pull over to the side and genuflect.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 28, 2014 - 04:47pm PT
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It was stated long ago... speaking to the killing of cows and actions of the feds...
Apr 24, 2014 - 11:08pm PT
Six cows were killed/putdown.
I'm defending all the BLM actions.
Not of this would have happened if Bundy would have follows the law and paid his taxes. That is a simple fact
 Bundy could have avoided everything by living within the laws that he had agreed to long ago...
Bundy standoff
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Bundy standoff is a 20-year legal dispute between the United States Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and cattle rancher Cliven Bundy in southeastern Nevada over unpaid grazing fees that developed into an armed confrontation between protesters and law enforcement.
The ongoing dispute began in 1993, when, in protest against changes to grazing rules, Bundy declined to renew his permit for cattle grazing on BLM-administered lands near Bunkerville, Nevada.[2] In 1998, Bundy was prohibited by the United States District Court for the District of Nevada from grazing his cattle on an area of land later called the Bunkerville Allotment.[2] In July 2013, the BLM complaint was supplemented when federal judge Lloyd D. George ordered that Bundy refrain from trespassing on federally administered land in the Gold Butte area of Clark County.[3]
On March 27, 2014, 145,604 acres of federal land in Clark County were temporarily closed for the "capture, impound, and removal of trespass cattle".[4] BLM officials and law enforcement rangers began a roundup of such livestock on April 5, and an arrest was made the next day. On April 12, a group of protesters, some of them armed,[5] advanced on what the BLM described as a "cattle gather."[6] Sheriff Doug Gillespie negotiated with Bundy and newly confirmed BLM director Neil Kornze,[7] who elected to release the cattle and de-escalate the situation.[8][9]
After making remarks about whether black people would be better off as slaves than under government subsidies, Bundy was widely condemned in the media and was repudiated by conservative politicians and talk-show hosts who had previously supported him, many of whom forcefully condemned his remarks as racist.
Bundy was/is a greedy, self-important dumb son-of-a-bitch who deserves to be in jail for not paying his taxes and doubly so because he did his grazing in defiance of a federal judge....
That's just plain...
If this was a hippy compound you right wing f*#ks would be up in that dudes colon with your opinionated bile!
All it has to be is just outside your world of normal and it aint anything like you and you can disregard it.. but when its one of your own.. you stop the world to set it right in your eyes.
And you gun nuts are different from the liberals how?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 28, 2014 - 07:54pm PT
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I'm sure the Bundianites are OK with this, too.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-swat-officer-shot-20141028-story.html
Authorities have identified the Pomona police officer who was shot early Tuesday while serving a search warrant, alleging a known gang member opened fire on the officer as he tried to enter a San Gabriel home.
Officer Shaun Diamond was part of a 14-member, multi-agency SWAT team serving the warrant about 2 a.m. in the 100 block of San Marino Avenue, authorities told reporters at a Tuesday news conference.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 28, 2014 - 08:14pm PT
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Tell me, what's the difference between an armed standoff between law-breaking gangsters and law-breaking Bundy, Ron?
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 28, 2014 - 08:16pm PT
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Bundy is a real, white American, not like one of those violent latinos you liberals are so dead set to legalize here.
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 28, 2014 - 08:21pm PT
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Except for that lovely bunkerville couple that went to Las Vegas and started shooting at people.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 29, 2014 - 05:51am PT
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Dunno, Ron. That's a minor detail. You think the guy on the bridge was just there for looks.
One's a group that uses threats of violence to enforce its breaking of the law, the other is a group that uses threats of violence to break the law.
What is the difference?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Oct 29, 2014 - 07:17am PT
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At IC last May a woman tourist had a very dazed look on her face after steering herself into a steer.
"How are you supposed to see a black cow at night?"
"Did you see the yellow diamond shaped warning sign with the black cow on it?"
"Ooooooooooooooooooh!"
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hashbro
Trad climber
Mental Physics........
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Oct 29, 2014 - 09:41am PT
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If (when) a standoff had involved a group of unarmed enviros opposing federal logging (or perhaps bidding on gas leases in the Rockies), they would have been jailed and prosecuted immediately. Instead the BLM is so intimidated by armed thugs like the Bundys, they don;'t list a finger and tacitly approve of such threats of violence (and rippoff on taxpayers on federal grazing) by looking the other way.
Absolutely ironic and sickening!
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