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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Nov 22, 2017 - 07:54pm PT
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Happy Thanksgiving all you raging politards!
See you after the turkey coma.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 23, 2017 - 01:53pm PT
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And yet, some are still free (to fall) - forever
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Nov 23, 2017 - 01:57pm PT
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Business Insider, a right wing, pro big-business publication has this to say about the Republican tax bill:
Three new analyses of the Senate's Tax Cuts and Jobs Act all delivered bad news for Republican leaders.
• The Tax Policy Center found that more than 50% of Americans would see a tax increase in 2027 under the bill.
• Only one out of 42 economists surveyed by the University of Chicago's Booth School of Business said the bill would increase economic growth substantially.
• The Penn-Wharton Budget Model found that the bill would blow a hole in the federal deficit.
Economists do not think the bill will grow the economy
Trump and Republicans have argued that the cuts in the plan would stimulate economic growth and even help "pay for" its new spending. Most economists aren't buying the rosy projections.
But according to the IGM Forum survey of 42 academic economists by the University of Chicago's Booth School of Business, only one economist agreed that "US GDP will be substantially higher a decade from now" than under the current baseline. In fact, 52% disagreed or strongly disagreed that the bill would lead to significant economic growth, and 36% were uncertain.
And when asked whether the "US debt-to-GDP ratio will be substantially higher" in 10 years under the bill compared with current law, 88% of the economists agreed or strongly agreed, 2% were uncertain, and the rest abstained.
Penn-Wharton budget model says the bill would blow a hole in the deficit
The final rough analysis for the legislation came from a new report from the University of Pennsylvania, using its Penn-Wharton Budget Model to assess the budgetary effects of the bill.
While Trump administration officials say the legislation would pay for itself, some Senate Republicans have been hesitant to support the bill over concerns that it would cause a massive increase in the federal debt.
The Penn model found that the bill would increase the federal deficit by $1.327 trillion over the first 10 years after it becomes law (not including debt-service costs). Even when factoring in the economic boost from the tax cuts, according to the report, the bill would still add $1.271 trillion in debt.
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-gop-tax-reform-bill-analysis-reviews-text-2017-11
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Nov 23, 2017 - 02:10pm PT
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The NYTimes just shared their Turkey Day dish to pass - that lawyers for Flynn have told Trump admin lawyers they can no longer share information.
Looking forward to Trump's TwitterTantrum on the topic.
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Nov 24, 2017 - 02:34pm PT
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The current tax bill is part and parcel of the standard model of how congressional Republicans will servilely whore for the NRA or corporations and billionaires, while they foster zero sum game partisanship, and frame Orwellian false narratives that prey upon the biases of their base—such as more guns lead to less crime, or lower taxes on the wealthy lead to higher wages for the poor and middle class, net neutrality is bad because, capitalism.
https://www.oxfam.org/sites/www.oxfam.org/files/file_attachments/bp-economy-for-99-percent-160117-en.pdf
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drF
Trad climber
usa
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Nov 24, 2017 - 03:46pm PT
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I am thankful for Crankl00ns and Walmartians. Cut from the same fubar'd DNA but providing entertainment nonetheless
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Nov 24, 2017 - 04:46pm PT
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Better a Crankl00n than a petty, cowardly sniping waste of bandwidth.
So what if the former “PotatoHead” climbs.
His token posts in those threads are clearly not why he is here.
And he is not here to discuss intelligently or even argue passionately on issues he supports and cares about; he never says anything of substance.
And it is obvious he is not just against OT content because his attacks are so clearly one-sided.
He’s too light in the shorts to present his own argument on its merits so this yellow back biter resorts to popping out of his anonymous sewer to shriek his childish taunts.
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Nov 24, 2017 - 05:16pm PT
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Yeah, maybe it’s too much to wish for, but if he only had the self-awareness to realize how much he lacks the ability to articulate an intelligent reply maybe he would limit himself to just saying “TFPU” on the trip report threads.
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drF
Trad climber
usa
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Nov 24, 2017 - 05:20pm PT
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And he is not here to discuss intelligently
HaHa...so easily baited.
Intelligent debate...here? What a joke.
Brainwashed selfish ol'Politard fool Crankl00ns swallowing loads of confirmation bias.
These politard threads are such a joke. No Soul.
How was your black friday at Waltard?
Cheers
drFree
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Nov 24, 2017 - 05:23pm PT
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Somewhere a sewer is missing its cockroach . . .
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 24, 2017 - 07:34pm PT
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Potato head he never says anything of substance.
neither do you guys.
It's all Trump sucks in a thousand st00pid ways over and over and over.
And it's all brainwashed useless mainstream media regurgitated drool over and over and over.
We see it daily on the news and then you regurgitate it here the same horseh!t all over again.
Now that is st000pid ....
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Nov 24, 2017 - 08:54pm PT
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Really?
You’re complaining about us posting the same sh;t over and over and over???
Not that we aren’t, but . . .
27,889 posts.
Always the same “st00pid crankl00ns” and “st00pid Americans”; it’s rather predictable.
If you ever want to take a day off or get an electronics project done I’d be willing to help you out by taking your place here for a day or two—these rants of yours should pretty much write themselves—no problem, no charge, just let me know Werner.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 24, 2017 - 09:13pm PT
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I think Lennox is onto something there.
At the end of each post each of us should (optionally of course) post what response
it's going to get from the poster of his/her choosing
Baby you can follow me down.
wardo, climber, denver
You're full of sh#t Brown, isn't that how you got that moniker
Or perhaps
Your tone towards Fattrad attempts to perpetuate the notion he is some type of intellectual leper. However, check your facts; George W. Bush’s approval rating stands at 33%. (This is a humongous number for a war-time president) One in three Americans believe Bush is doing his job well; this includes his posturing on Iran. (This is the point you attacked FT on; posturing.)
Also, rather than belittle someone to go read a book, why not engage them with the intended premise in a more useful manner?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 25, 2017 - 01:59pm PT
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Honey Boo Boo is like the rabid dog that comes charging out of an unfenced yard to chase and terrorize every innocent passer - by... Can someone by him a tire to attack and chew ...?
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Nov 25, 2017 - 02:16pm PT
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drF
Trad climber
usa
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Nov 25, 2017 - 02:43pm PT
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I was wondering what you clowns were talking about with this Honey b00 b00 BS.
Ironic that you Honey b00 b00 f00ls here seem to be the real exspurts at reality TV. Maybe open a window and get some fresh air from time-to-time? It's gotta be well beyond funk in your crib....ooofah!
But heh....carry on with your fact-based deep discussions about national policy. It would be a nice change. You are mostly engaged in attacking people that don't agree with you.
LoL
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Nov 25, 2017 - 02:56pm PT
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Ken M, you beat me to it by several days, regarding the tax cuts article from The Guardian (yes, a liberal publication so to speak, but usually spot on with its facts).
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/20/republican-tax-cuts-democrats
And this is also a good article, Trump may be re-elected but even if he is not, he will leave a "legacy" behind that may very well harm America, and this article is just one example of that.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/22/federal-court-judicial-nominations-donald-trump
The damage that Trump and his cohort are doing to the environment, to social justice, to the average American, to just a about everything (that should be "American" values, if my high school civics course was correct) will reverberate for many years to come.
Scary and sad. Where is the consensus and compromise that a healthy democracy and society needs?
Just my two cents.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 25, 2017 - 06:21pm PT
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Can someone by him a tire to attack and chew ...?
They got Honey Boo Boo a few chew toys, Sessions is a favorite
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