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monolith
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SF bay area
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We are currently at or above the MIN year of 76-77'
Very weak logic Chief, as we are in the 3rd year of consecutive low snow winters.
What were the two previous winters before the winter of 76-77?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Come on Chuff, if you don't know that a negative slope on a SWE graph means the snow is melting, yet continue to insist you know what the graphs mean, you are stupid. That's a fact.
If I insisted you control a helichopter with a joystick and two pedals, one for gas and one for breaks, you'd set me straight. If I kept insisting you were wrong and I was right, you'd call me an idiot... and I'd deserve it.
You deserved it... and blurring always deserves it. Stop playing the whiny victim and admit you were being stupid.
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 3, 2014 - 10:29am PT
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This topic sure took a turn for the worse with all the name calling ;-(
Erik, agreed to some extent. But I started it because I read can reports, weather bulletins, etc etc, but looking at photos people have posted on this thread also tells a lot, perhaps not the whole story but…
So, how serious is the drought? I have read through the entire thread and I see some conflicting reports, studies, forecasts.
But what is like on the ground? And the reservoirs, lakes, and… Tahoe, Walnut Creek/Lafayette, Salton Sea, Mammoth Lakes, Shasta, the rivers flowing from the Sierra/Cascades, or from the Coast range, etc.
Again to iterate, I can read all I want, some conflicting stuff, but you people are there on the ground.
As where I am, pissing down the past few days but today is 'sunny', looking like Spring.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Ah, I see what the chuff is saying. It isn't a drought because there have been worse dry periods in the past. And depletion of the ozone isn't a problem because ozone wasn't around for the vast majority of the Earth's history.
On the same note, chuff isn't a idiot because blurring is an even bigger idiot.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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So, how serious is the drought? I have read through the entire thread and I see some conflicting reports, studies, forecasts.
http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?id=9440612
Farmers on the West Side of the Valley -- in areas like Huron and Firebaugh are expected to get nothing. But for the first time, East Side farmers -- who rely on water out of Friant Dam -- also face zero allocation.
Farmers who have wells will pump groundwater to sustain their crops, but that will put heavy pressure on the Valley's underground aquifer.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 3, 2014 - 10:42am PT
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Khanom, is that yip cia?
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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I took some of my own advice and will offer these additions.
San Diego County imports roughly 80% of it's water
Average for the five year period ending 2013:
20% from Bay-Delta**
63% from Colorado River
17% came from local supplies
**The Bay-Delta is a vast network of channels and islands at the convergence of the Sacramento and San Joaquin rivers, which collect runoff from the Sierra Nevada.
Rainfall, by decade has been fairly consistent (note: last 'decade' is less than ten):
San Diego Rainfall by Season (July 1 through June 30)
1850-1851 through 2012-2013
2012-2013 season shown in red
OT:
Nobody needs a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, right? I was inclined to skip through the darkness (but check out the moon @2:50) to the clouds blowing in the wind.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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[quote]California Drought: San Joaquin Valley sinking as farmers race to tap aquifer
By Lisa M. Krieger
lkrieger@mercurynews.com
Posted: 03/29/2014 01:28:19 PM PDT
... "Everybody is starting to panic," said Arthur, whose Fresno-based well-drilling company just bought its ninth rig, off the Wyoming oil fields. "Without water, this valley can't survive."
When water doesn't fall from the sky or flow from reservoirs, there's only one place to find it: underground. So, three years into a devastating drought, thirsty Californians are draining the precious aquifer beneath the nation's most productive farmland like never before, pitting neighbor against neighbor in a perverse race to the bottom.
The rush to drill is driven not just by historically dry conditions, but by a host of other factors that promote short-term consumption over long-term survival -- new, more moisture-demanding crops; improved drilling technologies; and a surge of corporate investors seeking profits for agricultural ventures.
Now those forces are renewing an age-old problem of environmental degradation: Decades ago, overpumping sunk half of the entire San Joaquin Valley, in one area as much as 28 feet. Today new areas are subsiding, some almost a foot each year, damaging bridges and vital canals.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/drought/ci_25447586/california-drought-san-joaquin-valley-sinking-farmers-race[/quote]
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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What Lisa M. Krieger fails to point out in her fear mongering rant is...
1982-83 was a wet year and it has been drier in the geologic past.
Therefore, nothing to worry about and all your concerns are invalid.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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hahahaaa... the man who doesn't know what a negative slope on a graph means seems to think everyone who mentions the FACT that we are currently experiencing a drought automatically attributes it to anthropogenic climate change and thinks it is unprecedented in all of Earth's history. It must be nice living in your own little world of self-delusion.
But then again, the world all began 50 years ago.
Nope, but Folsom Lake did (+/- 10 yrs).
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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I don't know why you keep responding to the Anti-Wes-Me-Christ there Chief. Good luck with it.
Shirt for the antichrist there:
Save him a lot of time blowing hot air calling everyone idiots. LOL
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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In the mean time, it is what it is.
yep, and it is a DROUGHT by definition. And you are an idiot by definition.
And couchfuker, well, he's pretty stupid too... apparently he doesn't know how Wheel of Fortune works.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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We are dealing with it you moran. And we will continue to deal with it while you and the other anti-establishment idiots continue to live off your government checks and ignore reality.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Actually, I've been meaning to tell you... to be honest, I no longer have a PhD. They took it away from me.
They said I was far too smart for a PhD and my time would be better spent fly fishing and posting graphs I don't understand on the stupidtaco. They said, with a little hard work and a full lobotomy, I might be able to reach the status of a The Chuff.
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ruppell
climber
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SO this is what the US looked like during the Cretaceous period about 70 million years ago.
Using chiefs logic, basing current situations off of geological norms, I'd bet even he would have to agree we are in a drought. lol
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Using chiefs logic, basing current situations off of geological norms, I'd bet even he would have to agree we are in a drought. lol
Or maybe that the Earth is constantly 'evolving'.
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ruppell
climber
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Yeah, blue, that was kind of my point. lol
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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That buzzin is comin from a dungeon...a dungeon of despair...and the people eat...
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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Obviously what's needed is not a haymaker, but a rainmaker like Mr. Hatfield.
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