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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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he directed them to pledge to HIM, not to the US flag, or to the nation, or to the planet, or to feed little crackbaby orphans, but to him, the billionaire. seems a little weird. maybe that's just godwin's law or my jewish titular speaking. maybe.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Yes, just as in Germany, MrE
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Really? Come on Cosmic.....
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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+1 cosmic
What a WEIRDO
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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What a couple of fags...!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Left Hand Suzuki Method
Hmmm. Black and lefthanded, indeed. Now that is a biting revelation about one of the two of you...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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It matters not if you vote for Trump or Hill. We just get there by different roads is all.
Unless, of course, that road happens to be First St NE, Washington, DC...
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Trump just re-released his stance on gun issues:
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PROTECTING OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Donald J. Trump on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms
The Second Amendment to our Constitution is clear. The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed upon. Period.
The Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right that belongs to all law-abiding Americans. The Constitution doesn’t create that right – it ensures that the government can’t take it away. Our Founding Fathers knew, and our Supreme Court has upheld, that the Second Amendment’s purpose is to guarantee our right to defend ourselves and our families. This is about self-defense, plain and simple.
It’s been said that the Second Amendment is America’s first freedom. That’s because the Right to Keep and Bear Arms protects all our other rights. We are the only country in the world that has a Second Amendment. Protecting that freedom is imperative. Here’s how we will do that:
Enforce The Laws On The Books
We need to get serious about prosecuting violent criminals. The Obama administration’s record on that is abysmal. Violent crime in cities like Baltimore, Chicago and many others is out of control. Drug dealers and gang members are given a slap on the wrist and turned loose on the street. This needs to stop.
Several years ago there was a tremendous program in Richmond, Virginia called Project Exile. It said that if a violent felon uses a gun to commit a crime, you will be prosecuted in federal court and go to prison for five years – no parole or early release. Obama’s former Attorney General, Eric Holder, called that a “cookie cutter” program. That’s ridiculous. I call that program a success. Murders committed with guns in Richmond decreased by over 60% when Project Exile was in place – in the first two years of the program alone, 350 armed felons were taken off the street.
Why does that matter to law-abiding gun owners? Because they’re the ones who anti-gun politicians and the media blame when criminals misuse guns. We need to bring back and expand programs like Project Exile and get gang members and drug dealers off the street. When we do, crime will go down and our cities and communities will be safer places to live.
Here’s another important way to fight crime – empower law-abiding gun owners to defend themselves. Law enforcement is great, they do a tremendous job, but they can’t be everywhere all of the time. Our personal protection is ultimately up to us. That’s why I’m a gun owner, that’s why I have a concealed carry permit, and that’s why tens of millions of Americans have concealed carry permits as well. It’s just common sense. To make America great again, we’re going to go after criminals and put the law back on the side of the law-abiding.
Fix Our Broken Mental Health System
Let’s be clear about this. Our mental health system is broken. It needs to be fixed. Too many politicians have ignored this problem for too long.
All of the tragic mass murders that occurred in the past several years have something in common – there were red flags that were ignored. We can’t allow that to continue. We need to expand treatment programs, because most people with mental health problems aren’t violent, they just need help. But for those who are violent, a danger to themselves or others, we need to get them off the street before they can terrorize our communities. This is just common sense.
And why does this matter to law-abiding gun owners? Once again, because they get blamed by anti-gun politicians, gun control groups and the media for the acts of deranged madmen. When one of these tragedies occurs, we can count on two things: one, that opponents of gun rights will immediately exploit it to push their political agenda; and two, that none of their so-called “solutions” would have prevented the tragedy in the first place. They’ve even admitted it.
We need real solutions to address real problems. Not grandstanding or political agendas.
Defend The Rights of Law-Abiding Gun Owners
GUN AND MAGAZINE BANS.
Gun and magazine bans are a total failure. That’s been proven every time it’s been tried. Opponents of gun rights try to come up with scary sounding phrases like “assault weapons”, “military-style weapons” and “high capacity magazines” to confuse people. What they’re really talking about are popular semi-automatic rifles and standard magazines that are owned by tens of millions of Americans. Law-abiding people should be allowed to own the firearm of their choice. The government has no business dictating what types of firearms good, honest people are allowed to own.
BACKGROUND CHECKS.
There has been a national background check system in place since 1998. Every time a person buys a gun from a federally licensed gun dealer – which is the overwhelming majority of all gun purchases – they go through a federal background check. Study after study has shown that very few criminals are stupid enough to try and pass a background check – they get their guns from friends/family members or by stealing them. So the overwhelming majority of people who go through background checks are law-abiding gun owners. When the system was created, gun owners were promised that it would be instant, accurate and fair. Unfortunately, that isn’t the case today. Too many states are failing to put criminal and mental health records into the system – and it should go without saying that a system’s only going to be as effective as the records that are put into it. What we need to do is fix the system we have and make it work as intended. What we don’t need to do is expand a broken system.
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NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY**.
The right of self-defense doesn’t stop at the end of your driveway. That’s why I have a concealed carry permit and why tens of millions of Americans do too. That permit should be valid in all 50 states. A driver’s license works in every state, so it’s common sense that a concealed carry permit should work in every state. If we can do that for driving – which is a privilege, not a right – then surely we can do that for concealed carry, which is a right, not a privilege.
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MILITARY BASES AND RECRUITING CENTERS**.
Banning our military from carrying firearms on bases and at recruiting centers is ridiculous. We train our military how to safely and responsibly use firearms, but our current policies leave them defenseless. To make America great again, we need a strong military. To have a strong military, we need to allow them to defend themselves.
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Funny how he didn't mention the assault weapons ban. Maybe that because he supports it?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Just what we need, a true leader who knows how to work with other nations.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Foreign diplomats are expressing alarm to U.S. government officials about what they say are inflammatory and insulting public statements by Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump, according to senior U.S. officials.
Officials from Europe, the Middle East, Latin America and Asia have complained in recent private conversations, mostly about the xenophobic nature of Trump's statements, said three U.S. officials, who all declined to be identified.
I asked my mom, who said she's going to vote for Trump, why she favors him. She said it's because he knows how to work with China, the Middle East, and other countries.
How come people are so blind? What do you think Cosmic?
What's your reason for backing Trump?
PS. That picture of Mao, he's not giving a Nazi salute, he's waiving. And here in America, we put our hand over our heart to pledge, no Nazi salute sir.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Escopeta, why do you continually mix up what Sanders is saying with socialism? He identifies as a "democratic socialist."
Do you know the difference, or are you just playing dumb?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Escopeta posted That's really the challenge with socialism. Its not that everything works for a while, but eventually some people look at others and wonder why they are pulling the cart for THEM.
Unsurprisingly, you're again wrong. Socialist countries don't seem to have this problem. This is something brought up repeatedly in American politics, but most other countries believe in having a robust safety net and the public overwhelming support their systems. America, where we judge people's value on their ability to make money, has this in spades despite demonstrating repeatedly that we'd rather let people starve to death than pull their cart. Add this to the long list of things you'd like to believe are true but aren't.
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Escopeta said: That's really the challenge with socialism. Its not that everything works for a while, but eventually some people look at others and wonder why they are pulling the cart for THEM.
and while in its worded purity the above concept is true, the oppositely worded concept is equally as true:
That's really the challenge with capitalism. Its not that everything works for a while, but eventually the others look at some people and wonder why they are loading carts for THE FEW.
as long as the u.s. is an actual democracy it will continue to slowly and repeatedly swing between the two conceptual poles of collectivism and individualism.
neither of which, due to the human condition, can exist with purity in actual day to day governing life for any historically significant amount of time.
and so, imo, the issue at hand is whether or not the u.s. remains a democracy that continues to refind and then swing past a balance between the two or if whether, like so many banana republics, the voting is, at this point, purely for show...
this election suggests it likely is, at least in some regards, still a democracy.
this is because, despite the best efforts of entrenched power on both sides of the aisle, there are candidates representing and appealing to a complexity of views... [regardless of how polarized those views have become and how unable one side is to even see parts of what is driving the "other" side.]
and as polarized as the differing views are, that is what a still functioning democracy must strive to effectively navigate.
and so that is to my mind, the real question of an election like this: is the u.s. still a functioning democracy?
because if it is, none of the candidates will be able to bring their singular visions into fruition with perfect idealism, regardless of what they promise.
and this is just as the case should be.
and that's why i believe if trump does somehow get elected, he would be a good stress test for the american system. if the u.s. is still a functioning democracy then all of his promises to ban muslims and build giant unfinancable walls and perpetrate war crimes and etc will be for naught.
otoh, if he is able do some or most of the above things, then the u.s. was and is no longer a functioning democracy anyway.
and if that's the case, then what real difference does it make who steers the ship into the iceberg, other than to determine the speed with which it's driven?
if this existing structure of governance is standing in the way of continued exploration, testing and refinement, and i'm not convinced that it is, then there is no more effective navigator than trump to inadvertantly expose it for what it is and burn it to the ground.
because while i don't believe it is true in this case, sometimes the only way to raise up a new structure, is to raze the older one that is standing in the way.
time will tell.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Let’s be clear about this. Our mental health system is broken. It needs to be fixed. Too many politicians have ignored this problem for too long.
Well, yes, it's been a tough problem ever since Ronny Raygun decided it would be a good idea to dismantle the nation's mental health system.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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106 year old Armenian woman prepares for the coming of Donald
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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I love how people come out of the woodwork to press the euphemisms.
Heck, Democracy doesn't even guarantee or equate to Freedom. Much less 'Democratic Socialism'
The real question is do YOU understand what "Democratic Socialism" means.
Its Marxism with a democratic wrapper. How nice that we get to vote for our masters. That makes it all better.
Economic planning and social ownership of the means of production are unaffected by whether or not you can vote. Voting becomes a rote gesture. Some would argue we are approaching that specific point already. Just need to inject the whole Marxism part.
The minute we move to true social ownership of capital infrastructure is the minute I get on the dole and you will see no more production from me. Do you think I'm alone?
No thanks, brother.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Support fascism, it's faschionable
WTF - even King couldn't turn the tide
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Escopeta posted The minute we move to true social ownership of capital infrastructure is the minute I get on the dole and you will see no more production from me. Do you think I'm alone?
Please. Tell us about all the fantasy rebellions against imagined scenarios with no foundation in reality that play out in your head.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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The minute we move to true social ownership of capital infrastructure is the minute I get on the dole and you will see no more production from me.
You're from a state on the federal dole - how much production are we seeing from you?
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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how much production are we seeing from you?
Not much at all, you won't even miss it.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Heck, Democracy doesn't even guarantee or equate to Freedom. Much less 'Democratic Socialism'
I suppose you thought you were talking about something pertinent, but by gosh, I can't figure out what that might be.
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