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jstan

climber

Dec 16, 2009 - 03:04pm PT

When you hear someone claim another is a false prophet you are hearing someone who is counting on there being no proof either way.

Assertions are easy.

WBraun

climber

Dec 16, 2009 - 03:09pm PT

Follow the disciplic succession on anything to the root to get your real answers ...

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Dec 16, 2009 - 03:14pm PT

For claiming the answers and knowing tha absolute, supreme relative, I still can't help but think many of your posts would make good fortune cookies.

WBraun

climber

Dec 16, 2009 - 03:19pm PT

Yes whatever you say Supreme master healyje ......

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Dec 16, 2009 - 03:32pm PT

What I say is I prefer my confusion to yours, given all confusion, like belief, appears to be equal. But, I would have thought with such certain authority came clear, simple answers. That's obviously not the case - must be one of those grasshopper deals.

WBraun

climber

Dec 16, 2009 - 03:34pm PT

Your conclusion

Question all authority, I do not believe this red light means stop today for its my holiday .....

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Dec 16, 2009 - 03:40pm PT

Question all authority, unless it's your chosen scripture, then I suppose it's all just a matter of what color the light is and how many drinks you've had as the other drivers see whatever color light their scripture dictates.

jstan

climber

Dec 16, 2009 - 03:44pm PT

This is an excellent example of a situation where we need just a little help from god.

And.......

And........

WBraun

climber

Dec 16, 2009 - 03:47pm PT

healyje -- "then I suppose"

You're whole arguments are strictly based on pure guessing and speculations compounded by your veiled biases, as you really have no actual knowledge pertaining to this.

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Dec 16, 2009 - 03:48pm PT

How would you know?

WBraun

climber

Dec 16, 2009 - 03:59pm PT

In America there is the Supreme court. Although it is ultimately not perfect we must still submit to it's authority whether we agree to the law it handed down or not.

If we reject that law and rebel against it then we are subjected to restraint in some form or other.

Thus authority even on the material level is there.

This material creation is an imperfect reflection of the real although temporary it is not false.

MH2

climber

Dec 16, 2009 - 04:09pm PT

We have different preferences and predilections. Everybody has a different dance with life.

Karl

Sure, and after all, that is the interesting part. Anything universal can take care of itself. And how could something universal explain those different preferences, predilections, dances?

It occurs that Karl and I both respond to the appeal of parsimony. He feels that science is unnecessary to such aspects of human experience as love and compassion. I would agree although science goes places you don't expect it to. For my part I feel that hidden or submerged mysteries and spiritual forces are unnecessary to explain the richness of human experience.

We have come a long way, have we not?

jstan

Haha. Yes, we have come a long way. DOWNhill. Fortunately there are better examples of recent human accomplishment than we have mustered on this thread. But we haven't come anywhere near Euclid, or Plato, or Thomas Acquinas, for that matter.

Maybe a minority view, but I see evolution as on a downhill course, too, ever since the outstanding achievement of chlorophyll. Hemoglobin is a pale impostor in comparison. The Animalia are poor candidates for enlightenment compared to the plants. Take water, sunlight, and CO2, plus assorted other elements, and make a beautiful relatively peaceful organic structure. We should allow a few bees and other insects in our Garden of Eden, too.

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Dec 16, 2009 - 04:11pm PT

Citizens in the United States agree SCOTUS is authoritative and there is only one SCOTUS in the phone book. A quick glance in that phonebook will also show U.S. citizens do not, in any way, agree on which god or interpretation of 'god' is similarly authoritative.

WBraun

climber

Dec 16, 2009 - 04:16pm PT

Then you must make full understanding of what "God" really is before you speak.

It may take you many many lifetimes, although you reject that also.

Until then you are a mental speculator with no real knowledge on that subject matter.

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Dec 16, 2009 - 04:18pm PT

He feels that science is unnecessary to such aspects of human experience as love and compassion.

I would suggest god, religion, and science are completely unnecessary and irrelevant to love and compassion beyond after-the-fact supposition.

nature

climber

Tucson, AZ

Dec 16, 2009 - 04:20pm PT

You're whole arguments are strictly based on pure guessing and speculations compounded by your veiled biases, as you really have no actual knowledge pertaining to this.

And yours is different how?

edit: oh... wait... your bias isn't veiled.... my bad. Carry on....

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Dec 16, 2009 - 04:26pm PT

Then you must make full understanding of what "God" really is before you speak.

Will the circle, be unbroken? By and by lord, by and by...

That olde circular logic: Who's god, who's scripture, who's discipline? The Vedas, the Bible, Summerian tablets, Dianetics? That's right, it's all in the perspective of your belief! Perfect.

Will the circle, be unbroken? By and by lord, by and by...