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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Apr 27, 2016 - 03:07pm PT
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Shed a tear, the socialist didn't win the nomination.
Maybe next time.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 27, 2016 - 03:13pm PT
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He's not done yet.
He's clinging to the rim for a while longer.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 27, 2016 - 03:40pm PT
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Only for the messaging and will probably stick around until California for that reason, but as he wraps up the campaign he's going to want to try and end up in the black on cash so he's likely to be aggressive in laying off staff starting now.
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kattz
climber
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Apr 27, 2016 - 04:19pm PT
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I found this kapitalist pigeon expressing himself on a statue of Marx in Moscow...
There're had been many jokes about these statues that were everywhere... If you saw any with the beard and hair, you could bet it was Marx, as Lenin had been bald.
(sometimes Friedrich Engels had tagged along, but he just didn't have the Marx's mane)
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STEEVEE
Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
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Apr 27, 2016 - 07:19pm PT
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Should we all head over to the "Ready for Trump" thread?
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Apr 27, 2016 - 10:00pm PT
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Should we all head over to the "Ready for Trump" thread?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Apr 28, 2016 - 09:03am PT
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one tax return released only, for 2014...does not add up.
Looked like the math in the return was OK. Where did you find a flaw?
And like Bernard said, pretty boring return.
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kattz
climber
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Apr 28, 2016 - 10:02am PT
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The flaw is in Sanders' firm refusal to release prior years tax returns, which is very unusual for a presidential candidate and releasing such had been a de-facto standard.
The only other candidate who refuses to release returns is Trump.
I wonder what's on Sander's hidden returns...I'm going to bet something very disillusioning for naive Bernie kids.
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kattz
climber
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Apr 28, 2016 - 10:14am PT
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By the way, Sanders' paid exceptionally low tax on their income, a lot lower than what Obamas paid in 2000 on similar income.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/434194/bernie-sanders-tax-returns-reveal-hypocrisy
Their large mortgage surely helped: 22,946 on home-mortgage interest deduction. 8K in cash/check donation deduction...I'm going to bet it was the kind you get back, eventually...in the murky waters of campaign finance...Property tax deduction for 14K and about 5K in work-related expenses. Claiming about 60K deductions total.
The prior returns would look really interesting, I bet, before they "cleaned up" for presidential run.
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STEEVEE
Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
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Apr 28, 2016 - 10:18am PT
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That's a cool link. Truman's income in 1969 was approx $61,000 and he paid over $20,000 in income tax. Boy! Things have changed.
The Clinton's made approx $28.5 million and paid $9.9 million in taxes. How the f#ck do they have the same tax rate a family that earns $120,000.
I believe that's what the issue is here. The balance of money and power favor those with both, which is no surprise. I don't see how someone who makes over $10,000,000 a year as a result of political connections will be motivated by anything other than money and power.
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kattz
climber
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Apr 28, 2016 - 10:20am PT
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Clinton had released at least 14 years of returns. Sanders released 1, for the year right before presidential run, and will not release the earlier ones.
I don't see anything wrong with higher earner having the same tax rate as the lower earner, at all....they don't "owe" it.
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kattz
climber
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Apr 28, 2016 - 10:42am PT
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Dingus, no one has to release their returns.
However, when you pose as pure saint and a crusader for the poor and trot the tax turf...prepare to release, or have your honesty and image questioned. He's not walking the walk, just doing much talk.
Trump doesn't release his taxes, but at least he, by any means, is not posing as any kind of mensch.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Apr 28, 2016 - 11:17am PT
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The fact that Bernie won't release more tax returns proves he's a dangerous communist sympathizer who only wants to abolish the Constitution, send Americans to re-education camps, and give free sh*t to undocumented immigrants and drug addicts. This information was posted on several right wing extremist websites, confirming its authenticity ;-(
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STEEVEE
Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
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Apr 28, 2016 - 11:25am PT
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DMT, it's the law called the "Ethics in Government act of 1978" for all presidential candidates to release a financial disclosure report to the Federal Elections Commission.
I believe it's reasonable for a President, who is a public servant spending public money that we pay taxes for, to be under scrutiny for any conflict of interest.
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Norton
Social climber
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Apr 28, 2016 - 11:38am PT
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Romney did not release tax returns
Yet you voted for him anyway
Because he wasn't a black democrat
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Alexey
climber
San Jose, CA
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Apr 28, 2016 - 12:16pm PT
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The fact that Bernie won't release more tax returns proves he's a dangerous communist sympathizer who only wants to abolish the Constitution, send Americans to re-education camps, and give free sh*t to undocumented immigrants and drug addicts. This information was posted on several right wing extremist websites, confirming its authenticity ;-(
Yes, and when he become our President he will sent Katz to concentration camp in Central Siberia [ Altai this is where you want to move Katz?]
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Apr 28, 2016 - 02:27pm PT
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From his speech on Tuesday:
When we began this campaign just about a year ago ... we were about 3 percent in the national polls, we were 60 points behind Secretary Clinton. Well a lot has happened in the last year. As of today, we have now won 16 primaries and caucuses all over the country ... We have won over 1200 delegates to the national convention, and over the last couple weeks, the national polls they don't show us 60 points down, a few of them actually have us ahead or a few points down.
Impressive change from what the polls were telling us a year ago, and great that Sanders understands how beliefs and public opinion and poll numbers can change and don't necessarily indicate anything that far from the vote.
And what is extremely important if the Democratic Party is to look at which candidate is the candidate to defeat Donald Trump or any other Republican, is what we are seeing in national polls which have us 15 or 20 points ahead of Donald Trump, far more than Secretary Clinton. Almost every national poll and every state has us defeating Trump by that margin in significantly larger than that of Secretary Clinton. And that is a point that I hope the delegates to the democratic national convention fully understand.
Wait. Didn't he just convince us that the polls a year out were rubbish and that a lot can and did change over that time? Why is he making a 180 turn and now saying that the polls that show him ahead are extremely important, and information that the delegates at the convention should take into account?
In a general election, everyone, Democrat, Independent, and Republican all over have the right to vote for president... Those folks and Independents will be voting in November for the next President of the United States, and in most cases, we win their vote by a two to one margin.
Now it's just getting wacky. He's the superior candidate to Clinton because he wins the votes of those people in November by a two to one margin by having a slightly larger lead in the polls against Trump in April? Didn't he listen to the first part of his speech, where he talked about the poll numbers swinging by 60 percentage points in the last year? He hasn't won any of those votes yet - none of those polled people have voted in the general election yet. As he just convinced us, a lot can happen between now and then.
He's a human like the rest of us. If he wants to find a way to believe something, he'll find a way, regardless of how wacky he needs to contort his thinking in order to do so. The same thing that's bad and wrong about other people's thinking and belief creation processes is good about our own thinking and belief creation processes, if the polls point in our direction.
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