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Mangy Peasant
Social climber
Riverside, CA
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Although I enjoy a contrarian point of view, there is way too much self-loathing in Zinn's stuff.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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While religious Zionists certainly played a roll in the founding of modern Israel, the dominant forces were secular (and even anti-religious).
So if you're going to be hating on Israel, at least do so for the right reasons. Start hating on all the those left-wing kibbutzers.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Peoples History of America is a collection of writings by Americans.
And the collection reflects the bias and prejudices of the collector.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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So the only difference between you and Zinn is the fact that Zinn put in an effort to collect writings from a variety of sources, while you collect propaganda from the same bullshit sources. That and the fact that Zinn is educated.
Hahahaha!!! So that means he's right?
Sounds like a commie to me. It's no wonder you have a hard-on for him.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Zinn's only academic creds weree as a political science teacher and activist.
He's Not a historian and has zero cred in that field.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Now it's time to impoverish, disenfranhise and make life miserable for some Arabs.
The Dumbest Fuk of all one
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Mangy Peasant
Social climber
Riverside, CA
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He's Not a historian and has zero cred in that field.
Let's not go that far. Zinn is required reading in many college history curriculum. That counts for cred. A lot more than "zero."
But I know, academia is just a bunch of commie liberals.
(BTW: Didn't someone quote a Harvard professor somewhere up-thread?)
Now if you are looking for real academic cred, try Bachmann's alma-matar:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_Roberts_University
(sadly, the law school where she got her JD has since shut down)
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Education has a liberal bias.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Let's not go that far. Zinn is required reading in many college history curriculum. That counts for cred. A lot more than "zero."
But I know, academia is just a bunch of commie liberals.
Because it's 'required reading' by liberal profs gives it credibility???
At least you acknowledge that most of them are either stone-cold Marxists or left-wing Dems.
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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If you believe in reincarnation, it is possible some climbers of note, such as Bachar, were American Indians in a previous incarnation. Being a climber in this life was a way of enjoying some of the aspects of that lifestyle; adventure, semi-nomadic, spending time in wild and spectacular places, etc. Ron Kauk also looks to me like a reincarnated native American.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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If you believe in reincarnation, it is possible some climbers of note, such as Bachar, were American Indians in a previous incarnation. Being a climber in this life was a way of enjoying some of the aspects of that lifestyle; adventure, semi-nomadic, spending time in wild and spectacular places, etc. Ron Kauk also looks to me like a reincarnated native American.
Interesting perspective...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Comrade F,
I hate everyone equally, makes me non-racist, very fair.
Yeah, me too. Call it hate or love, but I give everybody an equal shake. Got nothing to do with race.
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PP
Trad climber
SF,CA
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Blu ; How could he (Zinn) be commie if he flew bomber missions in WWII ? He served his country in the Good war and now you are calling him a commie. I'm sure he would love to have that conversation with you. How would you answer him?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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I'm sure he would love to have that conversation with you. How would you answer him?
He died in his pool last year. That may be a bit difficult.
He was a self avowed socialist.
Also popular with punk rockers.
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Nibs
Trad climber
Humboldt, CA
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you are the naive one there Fat. as I asked before - do you really believe the crap you post?? or just trollin'?
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Behold the awesome power of Fattard (quote from a few years ago):
Somebody send me a real e-mail if Williamson is really going to be closed, I can solve the problem in about five minutes.
Jody's evil twin.
You really "solved" that problem, eh Fats?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Fattrat, Crowley ate your lunch every day for years.
I know Eric Cantor, and you are no Eric Cantor.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jeff, the overriding consensus is that you have the single worst prediction track record.
It must be awful to have so many waiting to hear you speak and then fading you for instant profits.
Really, take a basic civics class.
Give Crowley a call for some lessons.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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^^^^^+11^^^^^
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krahmes
Social climber
Stumptown
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Talk about thread drift; but I did want to address this:
here were a lot more than five million people living in what is now called the Americas in 1492. At least 50 million, maybe considerably more - the 'ologists are still quarrelling about it. Pre-contact populations usually dropped to about 10% of what they'd been within 50 years after contact, largely due to disease and violence by colonizers.
I think you mean the Spanish in this instance because they had run of the place for 120 years before the pilgrims showed up.
Put me down for a guess of 15-20 million. With jibes with this cut and paste job for the internetz.
“Unfortunately, the estimation of the population of the Americas at contact has been the ground of political agendas and pseudo-science. The people that want to prove massive genocide put estimations as high as they can, while dreamers that believe in missing civilizations in Patagonia or Amazons, also inflates the numbers. The fact is there is no census of people at contact.
My guess is around 15 to 20 million people for the whole Americas. That figure makes sense according to the historical descriptions. However, it doesn't fit those people who are fascinated with the "90% of extinction" urban myth.”
We as a state and nation apologized to the western tribes in 2000 for the ethnic cleansing that occurred in the 19th century.
Still I love me the Paiutes even if they don’t love me. I don’t begrudge them wanting to ghost dance me away, but I’m staying and my bones will go to earth here. Still think those two bolts on the back and the piton on the front should get yanked out of Winnedumah.
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