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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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It shouldn't be too crowded....we have lots of room anyways...(Line for the sushi bar...)
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Come join in;..you'll have a blast....
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Bullwinkle, jess what are these special images...? Need to make my benefit bucks go toward something great for the familia. Smiles, Lynne
edit: not bolton "unchained" I hope. heheheh
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Tar, I'm back and a few minutes breathing room.
I keep coming back to the bilateral nature of your symtoms - what can account for that? And the localization, what accounts for that?
Those two, for me, keep tending to rule out congenital, metabolic, toxicological, and systemic (gum disease, diabetes) possibilities though I'm just guessing as a layman. What's left is repetitive injury, sport-related trauma, frostbite, some form of [bilateral] constriction/entrapment of nerves, arteries, and/or veins - or a combination thereof. That, or rheumatology-related problems, so I'd still follow through on the [url="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=ZECuSdmfAqCSsQO907CwDg&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=forearms+bilateral+rheumatology&spell=1" target="new"]Rheumatologist appointment[/url].
In general, I can't get any bead on how the cold intolerance fits into all this - the microvascular thing seems more like a systemically presenting deal and mostly associated with diabetes.
I want to stew a couple of days on your cover letter, I do have some initial thoughts but would like to wait until I have a bit more time to go over it. In the meantime, there are some interesting articles in [url="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=forearms+vascular+bilateral&start=10&sa=N" target="new"]this google search[/url] including a German one where forearm pressures were measured in [url="http://bjsm.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/38/4/422" target="new"]climbers with regard to CECS[/url] which includes the email for a [url="mailto:volker.schoeffl@t-online.de" target="new"]Dr. Volker Schoeffl[/url]. I don't have the time at the moment, but I'd say it would be worth contacting them and [url="http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=+pressures+of+the+forearm+flexor+&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f" target="new"]tracking down some U.S. specialists[/url] in such measurements to at least understand what's required to properly in a case like yours.
P.S. Never heard back from Collier or Nelson, but they're likely busy folks or hesitant to talk with a third party.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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There will be 6 girls for every guy........
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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I'm hangin with you Todd.....uh my wife says rethink it!
Peace
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Joseph,
I've captured the two reports (weight training and climbing specific CECS) and e-mailed Dr. Schoeffl in Germany.
I'll continue to route through those Google pages and see what I can come up with here in the states.
I'll be seeing SpecterMan next week for PT, and he posited compartment syndrome some time ago, prior to this thread, (suggesting fasciotomy as surgical recourse) so I think he will have some referral contacts.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Schoeffl is the co-author of One Move Too Many, a bit dated now but still the best-climbing specific sports med book in English.
He's been up close and personal with compartment syndrome: according to that section of the book, either he or his co-author had to get surgery for it.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Happy to see so many willing to get involved...
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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OK, Dude, what then is the ratio for guy to gal....? :}
6 girls for @ every guy ='s how many guys for every gal...Hint, cannot be the same ratio.
Need a human good at math for this problem. Cheers and looking for the answer. LrL
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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needs to be bumped
Peace
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
Lake Oswego, Oregon
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Lynne... Oh! Oh! I know that one!
Let's see...6 girls for @ every guy means that every girl gets 1/6th of a guy. What 17% do you want/need?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Even Jan & Dean only promised "Two girls for every boy".
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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I'd be happy to have two ladies. . . if'n I could be there. . .
bwaaaaaaaah!!!!111
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mine says as soon as I'm meeting all her needs I'm welcome to as many as I can handle...
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Bumped this for the Hankster! And Roy of course.
Peace
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Ihateplastic.....and good at math.
Question: can I save up my 17%'s til I get just one whole? Not thinking bits and pieces are that grate. :D lrl
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Doesn't it depend on which bits and pieces you get?
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Bits and Pieces....need Cosmic for this. Plezzzz put together the perfect guy...in 17 % pieces...clothing is not optional but mandatory....says a family member lookin' ovah my shoulda.
(The spy's are everywhere....it's a wonder I make it everyday. :}
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