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dirtbag
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Don't underestimate Pelosi. She has been, and will continue to be, one of the most astute and fiercely effective speakers ever.
^^^F*#k that, we ARE gonna impeach the motherf*#ker.
Based on what, exactly?
Yeah, I've read most of the cases for impeachment that could be made. But if you're going to take him down, you really need to have you're sh#t together, and the sh#t just ain't there yet. He's a shitty president, maybe the shittiest ever, but that is not enough.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Can someone please remind me exactly what it is about Pelosi that those on the Right are so hateful of?
There have been plenty of the usual potshots from the Right trying to assassinate her character, but has she ever been involved in a serious corruption allegation?
She didn't get to be Speaker twice without having skills that are far above any of her predecessors. Near as I can tell, she is intensely disliked on the Right simply because she gets sh#t done that they just don't like.
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dirtbag
climber
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Can someone please remind me exactly what it is about Pelosi that those on the Right are so hateful of?
She has female parts.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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^^^^
And she is a powerful politician.
Toxic combo for the patriarchy.
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apogee
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So what has she done that is so egregious to the Right, besides pushing an agenda they don't agree with?
Sniping like Mineral's video clip is pretty common from the Right and as stupid as the memes the left posts with GWB's gaffes or silly faces. None of it is substantive...just blather repeated to them from their Facebook and FauxNews.
Where has she done anything that is truly illegal or corrupt? Or even an allegation? I could very well be ignorant myself of her history, so if someone has hard facts, I'm all ears.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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It's like the Dems can't get out of their own way.
By most metrics they have the high ground.
But when some noob says **F*#k that, we ARE gonna impeach the motherf*#ker.** it drags them down.
Morans!
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dirtbag
climber
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That’s a good argument for having a strong speaker who can nip that sh#t in the bud.
In other news, trump is considering declaring a national emergency so he can build a wall. It’s a good thing we have a calm, cool, and collected President.
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apogee
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Well, of course he is. After all, he is the great Creator of Crisis...an obfuscation tactic to his ineptitude as a leader, and a useful curtain of noisy distraction behind which McConnell and the GOP can advance their agenda.
Nevermind the fact that illegal crossings have been decreasing steadily for nearly 20 years now. His base will lap this sh#t up.
Schumer says that in today's meeting, Trump casually mentioned this shutdown could go on for months or years. We'll see about that.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Yes, Donald can veto any end of shutdown bill congress passes..
However congress can override his veto with a vote of 2/3 of each house of congress
it may have to come to that, Federal workers cannot much longer be expected to work
without a paycheck
right now the 40,000 member Coast Guard is working without paychecks
as well as hundreds of thousands of Federal workers, including the IRS, how dumb is that?
We have a US President who is obviously mentally ill, and has the intellect and emotional maturity of a 4th grader, apologies to 4th graders everywhere
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Morans!
You'd think that someone calling others morons should be able to spell it..
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Here ya go divad......sort of says it all.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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I rest my case..
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WBraun
climber
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Trump said this sh!t (shutdown) can go for months or years.
What an aszhole saying this to people who are out of work and have bills to pay ......
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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No Coast Guard for years?
"All your seasick sailors they are rowing home"
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WBraun
climber
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Lindsy Graham just talked Trump out of pulling out of Syria.
The whole troop removal process is now on hold .....
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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So what has she done that is so egregious to the Right, besides pushing an agenda they don't agree with?
In fairness, every House Speaker has been hated by 100% of the opposition party voters and by about 50% of their own party voters.
If Ryan ever wanted to be Prez, becoming Speaker was a dumb, dumb move.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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But when some noob says **F*#k that, we ARE gonna impeach the motherf*#ker.** it drags them down.
Morans!
Yea. Both parties are looking for any little thing to be triggered about.
I think it is better when every House member does NOT walk, and talk in lock step with the leadership.
If you want to be outraged, you can find an endless list of outrageous things said by R Freedom Caucus House members.
Or you could listen to any random speech of Trump, if you just want to make it easy.
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apogee
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"In fairness, every House Speaker has been hated by 100% of the opposition party voters and by about 50% of their own party voters."
FWIW, though I take great exception to some of his tactics (i.e. blocking a vote for Merrick Garland) and much of his agenda, I do have great respect for Mitch McConnell's effectiveness as Senate Majority leader. He has accomplished much during his tenure.
In comparison, as leaders of their majorities, Ryan and Boehner did little more than ineffectually try to corral the chickens in their coops. Pelosi was far more productive during her first tenure.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Pizzaman says: All of the furloughed workers will be getting loans from the various credit unions, drawing on savings, etc.
Yeh, sure. You think there is no damage done to their petty little government employee lives, from Trump's shutdown??
How about our nation?
From MONEY Magazine:
The government shutdown will cost more than Trump's $5 billion border wall funding, according to experts
By the time the government shutdown is over, the impact on the economy may make $5 billion seem like peanuts. For one thing, there’s no end in sight. Even though the House Democrats plan to pass a plan reopening the government without funding for the border wall, Trump has said the shutdown will last “as long as it takes” for Congress to allocate the additional billions for the wall. So the government shutdown may last for quite some time.
What’s more, compared to some other research on government shutdowns, the 2013 OMB report may significantly underestimate the costs of that year’s 16-day shutdown. Standard & Poor’s estimated that the costs of the 2013 government shutdown actually came to $24 billion after incorporating the impact of the shutdown on hard-to-pin-down factors like decreased consumer and investor confidence — components that aren’t tabulated in the OMB analysis.
As another example, in late 2017, Standard & Poor’s analysts said that a government shutdown threatened at the time would cost the American economy roughly $6.5 billion per week.
William G. Gale, a senior fellow for the nonpartisan Brookings Institution think tank, wrote this week that the shutdown is especially silly because the amount of money being fought over is tiny in the grand scheme. “The programs without current funding cost more than $300 billion per year,” Gale wrote. “By contrast, the amount in dispute regarding the wall is roughly $4 billion, after accounting for more than $1 billion of border security funding previously offered by Democrats.”
“The notion that much of the government should shut down because of disagreements in one tiny area of government spending defies logic and common sense. No business would operate that way,” Gale wrote. “While the political grandstanding continues, the economy will suffer.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-government-shutdown-will-cost-more-than-trumps-dollar5-billion-border-wall-funding-according-to-experts/ar-BBRO0Cx
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