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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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...and ALL votes, on ALL bills, could be decided by the People directly - well, wouldn't that be something?
What you propose is the thing the framers of the Constitution feared. This is why we are a Democratic Republic, not a pure Democracy. Checks and balances between governing bodies at the local, state, and Federal levels dampen the countries penchant for swinging wildly in different directions, and also prevent a "tyranny of the majority," where a small majority can rule as they will over large, but smaller minority. The fox asks the chicken what's for dinner tonight.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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If you vote GOP, you are not GOP? I am confused...
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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"Cheap ass words."
Why do you suggest that? Is it because I am one of those "never served?"
As you know, they aren't my words, but one of the concepts of our union that at least one founding father held. "Cheap ass words, my ass." Tell that to the man who wrote them
But back to the motto. Dividing our population is EXACTLY what has been prescribed to fix our wagon. Turn one group against another to weaken both groups. A standard way of doing business, when you're in the business of controlling a population.
It has been shown that there absolutely WAS a bot campaign created and implemented during the '16 campaign to amplify messages of divisiveness. I know that I was aware that all of a sudden my sidebar "news" feed was becoming more and more about those types of stories.
Because I have an interest in spam and the criminal connection that goes with it, I knew those stories were from suspect sources, and also that the headlines were often incendiary and bizarrely NOT what was included in the content of the stories. And it worked like a charm. We'd see these stories - our FB friends would share them, and suddenly outrage was spilling from the feeds. OFTEN over misinformation and fabricated garbage. The effort exacerbated our feelings of difference between GOP and DEM. Add in paid trolls(yes, it has absolutely been shown to have been done) to keep the conversations aggressive, and the "anonymous other" syndrome took hold, where we treat others through the scrim of the internet in ways we would never do in person.
Believe this - we ARE in the process of a cold cyberwar. The enemy is NOT our fellow citizens. We have GOT to stick together as a whole, even as we disagree on many things, or the country will be destabilized. THAT is the endgame Putin is playing for.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Putin threw a grenade into our political process, plain and simple. He didn't give a sh*t whether it was Trump or Clinton. He just wanted to screw us up, and he did.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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True that Putin originally just wanted to blow up our system. But as the election neared Putin saw an opportunity to get a guy beholden to him elected. It worked
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jody? I find your latest post fun.
Dec 9, 2017 - 06:51pm PT
dirty tricks designed to fool the stupid and gullible.
And those folks shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway.
Are you now advocating against allowing Fox News watchers & believers access to our voting process?
Whatever! How can I argue with an ex-CHP fellow like you?
Have another drink & let's agree some more!
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nah000
climber
now/here
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happie wrote: we ARE in the process of a cold cyberwar
Ksolem wrote: Putin threw a grenade into our political process, plain and simple.
i'm not sure what to say really.
have neither of you been following the metric tons of complete and total misinformation that gets pumped into the brains of the u.s. electorate by, to start with, the domestic "news" services, on the daily, for decades now?
to put some of the u.s. challenges first and foremost at the hands of the russians/alqueda/isis/etc is something that has always boggled my mind about americans:
you folks are collectively the worlds 18.6 trillion pound gorilla...
but you're always dividing yourselves swatting at fleas, and acting like the fleas [the russians of today, al queda, isis, the central american rebels of yesteryear, and on and on] are actual pound for pound threats to your existence.
don't get me wrong: i'm not saying they should be completely ignored and i'm not saying that fleas aren't annoying.
i just don't get how you don't see that the only current threat to continued american dominance are the same threats that have taken down pretty much every empire since the beginning of time: overextension of attempts at extra border control, fundamentalist ideological rigidity, internal social theft and therefore fracture, and etc...
ie. from my own perspective as an outsider who has had both the fortunate opportunity to drive down the length of the eastern seaboard all while marveling at the relatively younthful [relative to other civilizations], relatively organically and decentrally derived, and incredibly large scale and distributed manufacturing/corporate/built infrastructures while also being able to do some travelling to other global power centers... i really don't understand how anyone would think anything other than that the only real threats to domestic american freedoms are internal ones.
ie. putin would only love to have the power that you folks thinks he has.
and this is not to say that he doesn't have power. he is without doubt one of the most powerful individuals the world over.
issue is you folks don't seem to have a good understanding of your own collective power.
and so the looting of the american people by your own, will continue unabated.
all while you all argue about the russians, al queda, isis, or whatever the threat du jour pumped out by your subtly and not so subtly fraudulent mass media is deemed to be.
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John M
climber
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good post Nahooo
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John M
climber
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overextension of attempts at extra border control, fundamentalist ideological rigidity, internal social theft and therefore fracture, and etc...
these are what he said are problems.. Trump is big on these. I don't need the interpretation of the media to know this. I just need to read his words and watch his actions.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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when our constitution was written
one had to be a white, male, land owner to vote
they felt that would indicate some evidence of character and perhaps intelligence
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Pat Sajak (not say Jack) is the man (@ least so far), never laid a nasty hand on Vanna. Can you blame him. He's married to my cuz Lesly Brown.
BTW, no dirty laundry at all in this dynamic duo/trio.
As Wheel of Fortune approaches its 35th anniversary, it's obviously a good time to look back at everything the game show has done over the years, and it's no small achievement that Vanna White has managed to wear over 6,500 dresses and gowns since the show premiered in 1982, and without ever donning the same one twice.
All of y'all who have not man-handled women and/or contemplated doing so should get a life and stop hanging out with the riff-raff. One will be along shortly.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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http://thehill.com/policy/international/236565-netanyahu-pollster-obama-role-in-election-larger-than-reported
And Obama spent two or three hundred thousand to influence the last Israel election. No doubt we try to influence many elections all around the world in some way. At the end of the day, I’ve never read that the Russians hacked and flipped any tabs. Oh dear, they bought 100k in Facebook ads! And the trump admin had the audacity to make contact during the transition!! You libs are nuts. The reasons you lost were your shitty ideas, a deplorable, utterly corrupt candidate, and your own smug arrogance.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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To hell with worrying about what's going on currently (TRUMP)...
Let's instead keep our focus on OBEEMER and HELLHURRY...
Makes total sense to me...
It should—if you want to know why you lost, and why trump is sittin’ in the White House. ;)
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jody writes:
Why would you say that JohnM? You are one of the ones duped by that media into thinking Trump is the devil.
Yes Jody! Donald Trump is indeed the Biblical Satan!
Proof positive came this week, when he declared that the U.S. now recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, & he will move our embassy there.
That works for the Evangelicals, who believe that Jerusalem needs to be elevated by the Antichrist (that would be Donald Trump) so that Armageddon can happen, to further their strange biblical agenda.
When I was young, our pastor insisted that Jerusalem had an important role to play in these end-times events. When the Jews rejected Jesus as the messiah, he explained, God chose the church to accomplish his mission. Soon this "church age" would end with the rapture of true believers.
But God still loved the Jews, he told us, and wanted to redeem them. Thus, absent the church, the Jews would experience a great religious rebirth and rebuild their temple in Jerusalem. This would spark a series of cataclysmic events that would culminate in the Battle of Armageddon, the last war of humanity. But it would also cause the Jews to finally accept Jesus as their savior. After all this occurred, Jesus would return in glory and God's kingdom -- a thousand-year reign of peace. And it would begin in Jerusalem.
This theology -- a literal belief that all these things must happen before Jesus will return to reign on Earth -- is called "dispensational pre-millennialism" and it is not the quirky opinion of some isolated church. Although the majority of Christians do not share these views, versions of dispensational pre-millennialism dominate American evangelicalism.
It originated as a small movement in the 1840s, but by the 1970s, millions of evangelical and fundamentalist churchgoers had embraced some form of it.
Dispensationalism was popularized in a best-selling book called "The Late, Great Planet Earth" by Hal Lindsey; and later, in the 1990s, it reached an even larger audience through the "Left Behind" novels by Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins. The theology spread via Bible camps and colleges, through theological seminaries and revival meetings, in films and videos, by Sunday school materials, and in daily devotional guides -- all teaching that the end of the world was near, and that Jerusalem was the physical place where this apocalyptic drama would unfold.
More here: http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/08/opinions/jerusalem-israel-evangelicals-end-times-butler-bass-opinion/index.html
Good work Jody! You are now supporting Satan (Donald Trump) in his biblical quest to bring on Armageddon!
And if he is not Satan, Trump has to be the biggest arse-hole on the planet & if you support him, you lower your status to “arse-hole” worshipper, from merely being an ass.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Fritz, that was one of the most convincing posts I’ve ever read. And boy, I like the way you went all-in on the whole millennial dispensational folks. Now THAT is some scary shit! You go Fritz. I look forward to reading what you have to say about fake moon landings and the melting point of steel. You understand folks like you who are in the know gotta be careful. We need you man!!
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Hey Lituya! FuK you & the Trump you rode in on!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Lie to ya...Not trying to change the subject but Sajak looks like he's having a boing moment...rj
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Crow Mortality Study.....
98% of crows have been killed due to impacts with large trucks and only 2% were killed by a car .
The State of Massachusetts hired an Ornithological Behaviorist from Boston to determine the disproportionate percentages for the large truck versus car kills.
The Behaviorists determined the cause in short order.
When crows eat road kill, they always set-up a look-out crow in a nearby tree to warn of impending danger.
His conclusion was that the lookout crow could say "Cah" ....but he could not say "Truck."
Now you know!
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JC Marin
Trad climber
CA
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Dec 10, 2017 - 10:10pm PT
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If Al Franken wants to stay in the senate...
He should just become a Republican.
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