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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 10, 2016 - 05:45pm PT
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I thought I give Edward a chance to learn something by working for it.
Any questions Edward???
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Aug 10, 2016 - 07:09pm PT
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But I wonder about the validity of your story. An out of the blue anecdote, unrelated to any recent discussions. It seems more like colorful rhetoric, intended to stir the pot, than about life in America.
EdwardT
1. I was there when the threatening racist remarks were made about our president. I still know the person and their family as acquaintances and as members of the same hobby club I belong to. I never speak to them and avoid them like the plague. You can't pray or argue away that kind of a mindset.
2. My remark here about it was out of the blue. If it stirred the pot, so be it. I have been guilty of changing the subject or interrupting conversations before. Incidentally I've heard plenty of off color and sexist, or downright hateful remarks about Hillary Clinton from similar types as well.
3. Anyone that reads many of my posts knows when I'm joking, being whimsical, or am serious, and I wouldn't lie about such an insidious malaise as racism. I have made a minor study of identifying, red flagging, and avoiding racists, bully's, and bigots. Call it a survival instinct. Regarding the validity of the overheard racist remarks, anybody that knows me knows when I'm bullshitting or dead serious.
I don't have the quick wit or argumentative skills of many here and I am slow to type and post. Formulating arguments is not my thing. I do follow current events and watch PBS world news, several major news outlets, and listen to NPR. I never adhere to one particular news source, but try to eves drop on opposing views just to get the gist of what others might be thinking. I try to remain self informed and be careful of allowing myself to fully trust any person in public office.
Power trips in politics usually begin on the local level and you'll see people addicted to it first in HOAs and the Chamber of commerce, or in lower management in corporate world. Any time someone says they know what's best for the majority is a sure sign they have become one of the pod poeple. I can't stand those types as much as anyone, but there they are...
I try make observational comments about my views or opinions on these threads based upon my personal life experiences and what facts I glean from said media outlets. Talk radio shows are taboo and inflammatory to me and I avoid them. I chose not to let people of any persuasion, political or otherwise, tell me what to think.
Edit; Very few here really care to hear my political views. But as to the fervor exhibited by many on these political threads, I have chosen not to insult or denrgrate any who post, regardless of what may pass on the Internet as acceptable behavior to some. That doesn't mean I'm not passionate about my opinions or views.
Moving on.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Aug 11, 2016 - 08:33am PT
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I already have the art of the hunt part down, but thanks for asking. Like I said, I'm enjoying learning about the art of the rifle.
I can dig that. Are you getting into flint/percussion/lever/bolt etc. and what aspect/art of the gun/rifle/firearm are you interested in?
Today, I likes slashes. I have a buddy that builds flintlocks and his work blow your socks off. I've spent hours listening to his stories regarding building them and the individual history of a particular gun he is working on.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Aug 11, 2016 - 09:42am PT
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Although not a bowhunter I enjoy getting close to critters and don't see that desire waning anytime soon.
But in the end, I'm a math guy. So the collision of art and science that occurs at the crossroads of shooter skill and external ballistics has grabbed me. I'm intrigued by it.
A lot of my conservative hunting ethic has stemmed from a lack of knowledge in that space and I'm looking to expand my understanding in that area.
I have shot some flint lock patch & ball stuff as my uncle built several when I was a kid and when "primitive hunts" offered in some states were just that exactly. (Not so much anymore) I shot a turkey with a smoke pole when I was 12 and have taken several with my favorite .410. While it was fun, the reality is that for turkey hunting (and duck hunting) at least, the shot is the last act that holds no particular challenge so I haven't gotten all fired up to use anything but the 12ga these days.
Western big game hunting in harsh terrain and conditions is a little different in that regard.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Aug 11, 2016 - 10:11am PT
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I wouldn't hunt anywhere else in this country...jeebs, the mid-western/southern/eastern ethics are frikkin appalling, at least the stories I'm told. I'm also not saying it doesn't happen in the west, but sitting in treehouses shooting deer eating the corn you spread on the ground is ugly.
Cool on your approach, I can understand the challenge appeal. Science/Art blending is almost always fun and rewarding. Have fun and why not the bow? I've thought about it but have too many activities as it is.
Are you getting out this fall? I don't miss the big game stuff but I hella do the upland birds and dove even. I'm just lazy anymore when it comes to the haul out and butchering, plus I cut my meat intake to one day a week and I only hunt to put meat on the table, so I can 't justify the kill. I love my 12/20 gauge over/under.
Have fun with your new intriguing endeavor!
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Aug 11, 2016 - 12:15pm PT
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I'd corn chum the hell out of the place if it would guarantee me dinner...
Yeah, but you're skinny..
What are you, some moss scrubbing, excessive cleaning rap-bolter of pebbles trying to make climbing GREAT again or what?
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Aug 11, 2016 - 04:20pm PT
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I've hunted all across the country, and all over the world. Mostly with a shotgun vs. a rifle.
One thing I can tell you is that the Midwest and the East do NOT have the market cornered on retarded hunters doing stupid things. I've seen more of the most mind boggling ignorant, dangerous and unethical things right in my own back yard in Idaho than I've seen just about anywhere else, including Missouri where I grew up.
I think the main reason I never got into bow hunting is due to the fact that I am left-handed and no one else in my family or friends are left-handed so it was never the kind of thing where I would be like "Hey, let me try that". As a result, it was "meh, whatevers". I have respect for bow-hunters and their craft its just not what spins my crank. I've gotten WELL within bow range of a lot of prey so I'm not missing out on much.
Part of the new found focus on rifles is that I purposely avoided rifles (and pistols) while I was competing with shotguns so as not to detract and now I'm all over it!
I have a VERY active big game season coming up with a trip to Colorado for Antelope, an insanely good desert mule deer rut hunt tag and a friend with a "lifetime" elk tag that I get to participate in.
Plus loads and loads of ducks. Always ducks....
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jstan
climber
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Aug 11, 2016 - 04:30pm PT
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Several years back one of the tame deer in Yosemite was killed with bow and arrow. Now that tops my list.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 11, 2016 - 05:53pm PT
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"sitting in treehouses shooting deer eating the corn you spread on the ground is ugly."...
It also puts meat on the table to feed your family over the winter when you're laid off from your construction job.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Aug 11, 2016 - 06:02pm PT
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Opening day in Michigan you don't want to be in the woods without orange on...Never knew you were a pole smoker Escopeta...?
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Norton
Social climber
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Aug 11, 2016 - 06:09pm PT
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Several years back one of the tame deer in Yosemite was killed with bow and arrow. Now that tops my list.
so what, the guy had a good time killing the stupid deer
killing animals is fun, and even necessary to put food on the table when your WallMart food stamp card is late that month, so don't knock killing, er, hunting
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JC Marin
Trad climber
CA
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Aug 11, 2016 - 08:06pm PT
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^^dirt bags gone wild
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Aug 12, 2016 - 07:51am PT
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Massachusetts, Michigan, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, and Wyoming, have laws which reference blasphemy.
For example, Massachusetts, General Laws, Chapter 272, Section 36:
Whoever wilfully blasphemes the holy name of God by denying, cursing or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation, government or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching or exposing to contempt and ridicule, the holy word of God contained in the holy scriptures shall be punished by imprisonment in jail for not more than one year or by a fine of not more than three hundred dollars, and may also be bound to good behavior.
It makes one wonder, if these laws are never enforced, why does it matter that they exist? They may rarely be enforced but their existence allows for some cases to be brought forward. A Pennsylvanian filmmaker was turned down in 2007 for a corporate name “I Choose Hell Productions”, based on Pennsylvania’s blasphemy law. States have symbolic power to enforce these laws. It’s a form of moral condemnation as stated by Sarah Barringer Gordon, a law professor at the University of Pennsylvania.
Blasphemy laws:
Restrict freedom of speech
Infringe on the right to freedom of religion
Often lead to human rights violations during enforcement
Can incite mass violence
Fail to promote religious harmony which is supposedly the intention
http://centreforinquiry.ca/blasphemy-laws-still-exist-in-the-united-states/
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Aug 12, 2016 - 09:08am PT
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Trump hasn't visited Tokerville...
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Aug 12, 2016 - 11:29am PT
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Really not much going on at all. kind of boring actually.
Anyone out there ever watch the British comedy "The Young Ones"
If you have you know "Boring".
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 12, 2016 - 11:37am PT
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Trumps tweet should be placed on every high profile billboard in the state of Utah. At the entrances to the State, to cottonwood canyons, entering the big cities.
Take gifts when given.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 12, 2016 - 11:42am PT
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When you think about it, the last several weeks have demonstrated all you need to know about the two candidates:
Trump has been incapable of sending out his message, due to an inability to keep his mouth shut on off-topic issues that have enraged people.
Hillary is running a textbook campaign. Yes, she has gaffs, but she knows how to manage them, and make them one day stories, instead of doubling down, again and again.
This is a very practical demonstration of how the two presidencies would be.
Hillary's will be very boring, mechanical, technologic, and moving America foward in increments, with a minimum of danger.
Trumps would be a lurch from crisis to crisis, without a clue as to what is coming next. Every press conference will be a new cringe, both for America, and the rest of the world.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Aug 12, 2016 - 11:55am PT
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Re Trump's Tweet hating on Utah that HFCS just shared.
Unfortunately, Trump could strangle a puppy on live TV & he would still win Utah & Idaho.
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