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guyman
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Moorpark, CA.
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So many of my leftwing friends get their points and views from shows like Comedy Central or Bill Maher.
Yes, and they cite them to...
Next time I get it on with one of them I will quote Groucho Marx...
And just to toss this out their on the floor.
I listen to lots of Radio Shows, L & R .... I have listened to every Repub candidate speak at length with out interruption from some dip#ST& moderator. Sanders also.... I think its nice to hear them put 4 or 5 sentences together....
Except for Hillery.... they (the media) have only shown her doing EVENTS... you know reading off of the teleprompter. From what I have seen SHE only speaks in slogans and platitudes.
Anybody got a link to a Hillery interview??? I'll gladly read....
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Norton
Social climber
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Anybody got a link to a Hillery interview??? I'll gladly read....
you could google "Hillary Clinton interviews" and then also hit "videos" for more
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John M
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I suppose most would label me a liberal. I have mostly voted democrat.
I do not like Hillary Clinton. I have never liked her.
Yet if it comes down to Hillary versus Trump or Jeb Bush, I would vote for Hillary.
I very much hope that Bernie Sanders beats Hillary, even if I don['t agree with everything he says.
I believe that Bernie is a much more honorable person then HIllary, Trump, or Bush.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Philo, how effective do you think a vote to reduce mass shootings would be? I personally think it would be about as effective as a vote to reduce sin, or a vote to make crime more illegal.
I, for one, am tired of votes made for show. That includes both votes to repeal Obamacare, which will never withstand a veto during this administration, and "votes to reduce mass shootings." If we really wanted to reduce mass shootings, we'd treat them the way sports broadcasters learned to treat fans that came on the field during games -- they refused to show them on the broadcast. If you want to reduce (I doubt you can stop) mass shootings, don't publicize them so strikingly.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303309504579181702252120052
Instead, we publicize them over and over and over again to make political points for our sides, and because for over a century, "If it bleeds, it leads" has been the mantra of the news business. The pro-gun side says it shows why everyone should be armed. The anti-gun side says it shows why we need greater control of gun ownership. The predictable result is that we get more copycat mass shootings.
John
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Lois got the boot again, huh? Not surprising, but damn funny.
So, Craig...now are you convinced?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2015 - 10:53am PT
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John, I can understand being sick of the political rhetoric but that's not really an excuse to stop covering them. If we are going to continue doing nothing we should at least have to watch the fruits of our inaction. You're also being purposefully obtuse about the poorly worded cartoon. Obviously it's implying legislation to achieve that end, not a "Resolution to Reduce Gun Violence."
Why did someone report Lois? What was she doing that was harmful? I'm personally all for forgiving these folks. Fatty, Lois, DMT whoever else got booted more than a year or two ago. Excluding people permanently seems absurd.
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JEleazarian
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Fresno CA
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HDDJ it isn't so much about covering them as how we cover them. We learn all about the perps. Think of something like the Oklahoma City Federal Building bombing -- a horrendous mass murder. Timothy McVeigh got one enormous amount of publicity. Even his last words from "Invictus" got covered ad nauseum.
It doesn't matter the weapon used. We end up learning all about the perpetrators, which puts them (admittedly, often posthumously) in the spotlight, which is what they seek. The article urges less coverage of the murderers themselves.
Unfortunately, that prescription doesn't fit the desires of those who want no crisis or disaster to go to waste. The "gun nuts" want to focus on the shooters to demonstrate that they were people who, often, should not have had access to firearms under current law. Thus, they claim, gun control is useless. The "anti-gun nuts" want to focus on the shooting - and every aspect thereof - to keep the desire to reduce them in the public mind. The media wants to keep people watching, listening and reading, and our corrupted minds remain fascinated, it seems, but the sorts of deviants that would commit such monstrous acts. Therefore, all have a motivation to keep the perps in the news.
John
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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There is no evidence that the new poster got booted because she was Lois
But it is weird.
I listen to both sides too
And once you look for the lies, you can see that the Whole GOP campaign is based on lies
Use wedge issues to dupe idiots
cut social services
start wars
bankrupt the country
give cronies tax breaks
have a smear campaign on all dissenting opinions
buy up the media and fill the dupe's heads with propaganda
Keep the populace at low wages fighting for jobs
You have to be an idiot to vote for any one of them, they're all corrupt to the gills
But these facts won't change anyone's minds, they will just repeat the BS about how they hate Obama and Hillary,
blame someone else, don't check the facts, the bought out media will tell you them, and who to hate.
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philo
climber
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A marble bust of Dick Cheney is being unveiled today in the Senate. Cheney will attend the ceremony, along with George W., for whom he served as vice president. Cheney’s likeness joins those of more than 40 other vice presidents, scattered inside and outside the Senate chamber.
Personally, I think there should be a separate Hall of Shame in the Capitol Building containing the busts of presidents and vice presidents, like Cheney, who have disgraced themselves and the nation. For those of you too young to remember, Dick Cheney was the brain behind George W. Bush’s otherwise brainless presidency – the man who engineered the Iraqi War, who fooled America into thinking Saddam Hussein was hiding weapons of mass destruction, and who arranged for and justified torture. If there were justice in the world, Dick Cheney would be tried and convicted as a war criminal. That he is being memorialized today with a marble bust in the Senate is an insult to America and to humanity.
What do you think?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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give cronies tax breaks
have a smear campaign on all dissenting opinions
buy up the media and fill the dupe's heads with propaganda
That describes Hillary's campaign pretty well.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clintons-tax-credit-sweepstakes-1448928410
As for bankrupting the country, the pensions the Democrats granted to public employees have only begun to hit state and local budgets. Just wait a few years. Virtually all of government expenditures not used to cover debt service (which will become enormous when interest rates rise) will go to pay for those pensions.
John
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2015 - 11:23am PT
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John posted Unfortunately, that prescription doesn't fit the desires of those who want no crisis or disaster to go to waste. The "gun nuts" want to focus on the shooters to demonstrate that they were people who, often, should not have had access to firearms under current law. Thus, they claim, gun control is useless. The "anti-gun nuts" want to focus on the shooting - and every aspect thereof - to keep the desire to reduce them in the public mind. The media wants to keep people watching, listening and reading, and our corrupted minds remain fascinated, it seems, but the sorts of deviants that would commit such monstrous acts. Therefore, all have a motivation to keep the perps in the news.
John, you're falling into a bit of a false equivalency trap as well as the same kind of generalizations the mass media is guilty of. People who think we need tighter gun control don't want these events to go to waste because America has proven immune to any kind of progress on the issue without it. There's no incentive to popularize the perps by pro-gun control people either, because it's the tool were talking about, not as much the person. The idea of covering the perps less has been bandied about for a long time but I don't think thats a panacea.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2015 - 11:24am PT
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Philo posted What do you think?
I think people need to be reminded that they voted for him twice.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Give me a break John
Let's see a link to Hillary giving tax breaks to her cronies
a smear campaign against Who?
Owns what Main Stream Media?
you are 100% wrong
Why lie, or do you really believe the stuff you post
Fox and 100 more media sites are owned by who?
$18 trillion was racked by who? pensions?
wow, good deflection, you got me so worried
No, it was racked by Conservative policies and the pensions were robbed by conservative policies
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Did you click the link I provided, Craig?
I haven't even started with the crony capitalism involved in "green" energy.
John
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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so weak
total hit peace
should we look at the GOP cronies, like Halliburton
The NRA, Wallstreet, oil, coal, everything EXCEPT Green Energy
The Democratic candidates are conducting a lively fiscal bidding war. Bernie Sanders favors some $18 trillion in new spending over a decade, give or take a few hundred billion, and raising taxes on the middle class—in part at least—to pay for it. Hillary Clinton supports somewhat less new spending, but she also disguises a huge chunk of her income transfers through the tax code.
WSJ=Fox News
We give Billions away to them because of conservatives.
Thank God the Dems are helping out Green Energy
the GOP is trying to kill Green Energy so they can keep the billions in profits for their cronies
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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JEleazarian wrote:
Virtually all of government expenditures not used to cover debt service (which will become enormous when interest rates rise) will go to pay for those pensions.
Big voting constituency there...Democrats are whistling past the graveyard on this one.
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Jorroh
climber
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"John, you're falling into a bit of a false equivalency trap"
You just noticed?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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John!!
I say something about the GOP and you predictably shift the blame to Hillary and the Dems
Can you ever be objective?
answer me this one question
What is a conservative policy that creates jobs and strengthens the economy?
explain your talking points, how it works, if it requires magic dust, we will call it out.
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The Dems have no working policies now because the GOP has obstructed them, so we are waiting for the GOP to do something, like they said they would.
Where are the Jobs?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Give the guy a break. He's trying to read long, foreign words that he's never heard before, that someone else wrote for him.
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