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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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you say this as though people don't seem to care about this. Yet we do. Billions have been spent on these issues. So its a poor argument.
Apparently they dont care about this...since iI have yet to see a single thread about it.
yet we have endless threads about a supposed serious threat that will almost certainly kill none of the people posting in them.
While what I mentioned WILL ABSOLUTELY kill 1/2 of us.
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John M
climber
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why do we need to discuss it when we already know that we have some of our best minds/doctors trying to solve it? Or do you believe that the issue is something beyond a physical problem?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Just saying ..have a bit of perspective... gun control is one of the lowest problems america faces.. mortally or economically...
It's not worth 1 minute of discussion vs at least 50 other problems no one talks about.
Terrorism is even less of an issue than gun deaths in America...
Yet somehow everyone has gotten brainwashed into considering it worth spending billions of dollars on?
Wanna know what the real problem in America is...
Werner knows..
Americans are STUUUPID
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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I can just see the Feds or the local SWAT going in and trying to figure who the perps are when everyone has their own gun and they all decide that "now's the time to start shooting back".
Yeah, right.
Carry on.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Someone should have taken me up on my bet regarding the Mexican Cartel Hitmen.
Instead, appears it was Jihadist Jane and her Jihadist Husband doing the deed.
Gonna be interesting to see how the POTUS skates around the super thin ice on this one in the morning. Obviously he will reiterate his not going to call em for what they truly are routine so as not to offend anyone.
But by god, if this was another Cop on unarmed Blackman incident, he'd be all over it calling it for what it was. As he has done so well thus far.
Better yet, he'll blame it on....
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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"strictest gun control in the USA" isn't saying much.
Actually it is saying a lot, particularly in the context of this latest mass-shooting.
California already bans both the sale and possession of the very weapons used. California already has the very gun-control laws that the left is advocating to go nationwide, so it has been for decades an empirical experiment in the value of such laws.
If you want to talk about not "saying much," the truth is that this (and other California incidents) demonstrates that you can't say much for the value of the exact sort of gun-control that the left wants to make national.
JohnM summed it up nicely: We need to get to the basis of why a TINY subset of people have become more murderous than we saw, say, 30 or 40 years ago. But, as he also noted, that's so difficult (and, I would add, contentious) that we are not going to discover the actual causal chains. Thus, gun-control is a genuine red herring and really only amounts to CONTROL simpliciter.
Free Americans don't want any part of more control, particularly when it can't be demonstrated to serve any useful purpose.
So, yes, while the odds of being a victim of this sort of incident are very, very low, the odds of the left spinning such incidents into "justifications" for imposing more and more CONTROLS are at 100%.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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So, yes, while the odds of being a victim of this sort of incident are very, very low, the odds of the left spinning such incidents into "justifications" for imposing more and more CONTROLS are at 100%.
I'll Agree with that. But then again.. I don't really care. Take every gun... give everyone 5 guns...
Not gunna matter either way. It's a dumb f*#king issue.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Ski2, not one peep about Monsanto from you. Their operation globally the past 60 or so years has certainly played a major role in your latest rant regarding cancer and heart disease etc.
Thing about them, Monsanto that is, you will assuredly vote for one of their biggest key supporters next Nov to be our next POTUS.
Go figure.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Monsanto is a MUCH bigger issue. Although I'd bet we would disagree as to why. I may be unaware of something regarding Cancer or Heart disease..however I am sure their agricultural product does not cause these health issues any more than any of their competitors..including so called organics.
In my mind it has to do with the legal and strategic issues regarding licensing of critical advanced productive agricultural strains. This will affect the lives and more realistically the security of way more people than any amount of guns in the USA.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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I'm getting tired of law enforcement having all the tools it needs to stop something like this before it happens, yet law enforcement chooses to squander its resources doing less important things.
Instead of 500 cops massing after the crime to come clean up the mess, it would have only taken TWO cops to arrest Farook & Wife the day before for felony weapons possession.
498 cops could have had the day off, and 14 innocent people would still be alive, if we could only get the cops to enforce existing laws, using the tools we already gave them.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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My fear of these attacks, terrorist or otherwise, is the erosion of rights that seems to result. The government has our bodies through ACA, our privacy through the Patriot act, and now they want to control our thoughts and talk lest we offend some wacko group prompting a murderous result. There is a big leftist movement afoot to disarm us so only the criminals, crazies and terrorists have firearms.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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It's a dumb f*#king issue.
I'm with you! There are MUCH bigger issues facing this nation, even considering all forms of easily preventable death! And NONE of the known solutions require mastermind controls that violate the basic principles of our republic.
I just wish that the left would recognize HOW dumb their relentless efforts to achieve CONTROL really are. THEY are the ones that make this an issue. Consequently, in the spirit of "eternal vigilance," liberty-minded people ARE going to fight back against the "thinking" that is all about imposing more (utterly useless) CONTROL.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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^^^^ Monsanto's Pesticides... not an issue.
Got it.
PS: Tell that to the over 225K plus Vietnam Vets alone that have died or are dying of cancer and other diseases related to... Agent Orange.
Of which, many of the same ingredients are contained in most of the general pesticide products that have been commonly used in agriculture throughout the world the past 50 years.
Now GMO's.
And so many lefty looons are carrying on about guns.
Too funneee!!!!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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...that will almost certainly kill none of the people posting in them.
Yeah, but it's getting to be sort of like belayers with grigris dropping people - you may not have been dropped, but these days pretty much everyone under the age of fifty has either been dropped, dropped someone, knows someone who has, or has witness it. Great when it isn't you, but the idea that's justification for saying it's not a serious problem is ludicrous.
...free americans...
Love the code-smithing around how the fringe right self-identifies these days.
Can graduate courses in Skousenology be far behind...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Hey, Chief, and exactly why is it the republicans are rabidly anti-Islam and spouting endlessly about Obama's lack of strategy on ISIS, but yet steadfastly block all administration requests for an AUMF. As usual, no surprises from the chickenhawk party when it comes to put up or shutup.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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how the fringe right self-identifies these days
"Fringe right?" LOL
What even IS that?
I for one can't "self identify" that way because this "self" can't "identify" what the phrase means.
The right is as much about CONTROL as is the left, just about different issues.
The right moans about "leftist masterminds," while the right wants to control gays, women's rights, and a host of other "moral issues." The left moans about "fascist right-wingers," while the left wants to control guns, drugs (ironically, like the right), and even thoughts (certainly speech). They are NO different. Same basic agenda, and neither understands liberty.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oh, I see, so you do hit that libertarian sweet spot. Very Sko...
What is 'fringe right'?
And I'd ask the same: what are 'free americans'?
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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I'll help you see that you answered your own question....
what are 'free americans'?
Answer....
that libertarian sweet spot.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Well, just what kind of libertarian are you? They seem to be a veritable rainbow of fringe thinking. Are you of the secure hacienda, chemtrails, guns, gold standard, constitution-as-fossil, or the black-guberment-helicopter camp?
Oh, and we should be in good shape protection-wise unless of course a terrorist decides to take off on foot at a pace faster than brisk walk. They got nothing on 'fat guys on aid'. Exercise? F*#k no, who needs that? We've got guns! Sh#t, I know I feel safer.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Those don't look like California cops.
"The cops are well-groomed with muscled physiques
In butt town
Their tan uniforms are tailored in chic
In butt town"
East coast cops can get away with being all sloppy looking. Fat. Bad posture. Poor fitting uniform. That sh#t won't fly here. The crooks will laugh at them.
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