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crankster
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Jun 22, 2015 - 06:17pm PT
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Chill, Madbolter. Getting a gun is about as hard as buying a pack of gum. Your side won.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 22, 2015 - 06:21pm PT
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Your side won.
Not quite. A church full of people were threatened and many killed, while liberal masterminds in that state voted to disarm them and disallow them to have even a fighting chance.
I for one don't call that a win!
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10b4me
Social climber
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Jun 22, 2015 - 06:21pm PT
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"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."
Douglas Adams
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Jun 22, 2015 - 06:22pm PT
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No I'm not in favor of baning any more guns, get off your fear train.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jun 22, 2015 - 06:24pm PT
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while conservative masterminds in that state voted to arm anyone and create a situation where the only fix is to have gun battles in the streets cops-vs-robbers style.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 22, 2015 - 06:28pm PT
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while conservative masterminds in that state voted to arm anyone and create a situation where the only fix is to have gun battles in the streets cops-vs-robbers style.
Here, let me fix that for you:
"While libertarians, realizing that there ARE no masterminds, have confidence in the inalienable rights of people and the people's responsible exercise of same."
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Jun 22, 2015 - 06:29pm PT
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The legislation is GOP controlled in South Caroline.
But go ahead and believe that the minority has the majority out voted.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 22, 2015 - 07:15pm PT
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I am a LARGO!
I was 10 when I got my first 22 Ruger single shot rifle
Now I own a few more. After 51 years of owning guns
I have never had the urge to go out and mass kill people with my semi auto
weapons.
I knew this about you Cosmic. I even have a couple of guns. Can't remember the last time I fired one.
Are they really that important?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 22, 2015 - 07:23pm PT
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The legislation is GOP controlled in South Caroline.
But go ahead and believe that the minority has the majority out voted.
It is now.
It wasn't when that law went on the books.
But then let's not pass the opportunity to turn any tragedy into a game of partisan sport.
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 22, 2015 - 07:41pm PT
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It wasn't when that law went on the books.
is that a fact, TGT?
so do tell us what year it was made law and what was the political party in control of
the legislature and the governor...
since you know this, also tell us what was the make up of the vote, how many Dems
and how many Repubs voted for and against?
does not really matter at this point does it, the fact is the vast majority of states have
laws against carrying guns into churches, but since you think this is important go ahead
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 22, 2015 - 07:46pm PT
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Not quite. A church full of people were threatened and many killed, while liberal masterminds in that state voted to disarm them and disallow them to have even a fighting chance.
prove it
prove that "liberals", Democrats controlled the SC state legislature and passed a law
that made it illegal to carry guns into churches in that state
what year was this law passed, and what was the political vote at that time, Dems and
Repubs, and what party did the governor belong to who signed that legislation?
this should be easy for you as you stated factually that "liberal masterminds "voted"
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 22, 2015 - 07:56pm PT
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BLUEBLOCR: How dare you actually claim to have the authority to pretend that you alone are capable of interpreting the words of Christ?
Hey Stewart, I am sorry if you got that impression over these posts. I ve recently been lowered to an iPhone for my posting. Let me tell ya it's hard with my size 13 feet :D
Makes it hard to keep up.
But I do march on daring to test the truths. Not only mine, but those of others too.
I'm certainly not alone in my convictions, though it certainly seems like it on this forum.
Well I've learned some. I hope you have too
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 22, 2015 - 08:06pm PT
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jstan
climber
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Jun 22, 2015 - 10:34pm PT
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There is little sensible I can say, but let me describe situations I have been witness to.
In addition to working with the Joshua Tree Clean Team I have been soloing. In downtown JT there is a low income housing facility with trash piled all around it. The trash is there because the owner is not willing to pay the fees required to dispose of it. One day as I was working I overheard two men talking about how they were doing. One said, "I know I am not the smartest ............ in the world, but I know how to do that." When I tried to think how I myself might come to grips had I that person's place and relationship with the culture, I could not avoid the conclusion he had somehow found about the only place a person could live. He was stronger in this regard than almost everyone, myself included. A little later I had to load a TV into my truck that was too big and awkward for me. When asked if they could help me they said they would. They both came over, suggested I stand aside, and lifted it into the truck.
When I first mentioned to others in the Clean Team I was considering this task, one person suggested I might well get shot if I knocked on doors. Another time as I was picking up in another stressed neighborhood across the road from Walmart in YV a resident of the area walked past me mumbling to himself, "It's clean enough here."
In my efforts I fully expected to encounter resentment. Just as I expected some level of resentment when I started working the piton problem in climbing. We all are human. The willingness to help I met in JT, told me they liked the trash no more than did I. We were on the same page. It was a very good feeling.
Finally, in my efforts so far, I have found four kitchen knives with six inch long blades. The last, in YV was thrown down under a bush. Which is what a person would do if they could not afford to be found in possession of such an item. We here on ST are embroiled in a discussion of the need to carry a protective firearm. It appears many other people feel they too are occasionally in danger.
Do we all suffer from this problem? Maybe we need to approach our discussion from that perspective?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jun 23, 2015 - 07:30am PT
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Bigotry - intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jun 23, 2015 - 07:40am PT
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Dingbat, ;)
Just because some southern folk like flying the confederate flag due to their local heritage, it does not mean they are racist. I agree that it has been used for that purpose, but lumping everyone in under one category is a little, how do you say, dingy?
I,suppose you hate the song Freebird also?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 23, 2015 - 07:54am PT
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Why shouldn't they be proud of talking funny, dropping out of high school,
and marrying their cousins?
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jstan
climber
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Jun 23, 2015 - 08:12am PT
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This is not helpful.
When we let someone or something cause us to be angry we give over control of what happens to another. In 1860 States' Rights was a red herring used to bring this about. For the few, war can be very profitable. Very few of the dead owned slaves. In 1861 when it became apparent the War would last a long time it was too late to consider some of the obvious and better alternatives.
Do we really need to emulate the lemming a second time?
Clearly now is not the time for inaction. It is time for thoughtful and clear headed action.
The several actions to be considered are already under productive discussion. Our most useful approach might be to join forces with all of the people who see these as issues, no matter their state of residence.
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