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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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You're attempting to justify Sterling's comments somehow because some black people are racist or say racist things. Trying to deflect the importance of or the offensiveness of someone's comments just supports a culture of racism.
Um, no. I was pointing out that national media goes into a frenzy when a rich white Jew says something racist, but ignores clearly violent rhetoric from minorities towards whites. Or when minority youths target certain ethnic groups for random knock-outs.
Seems like there's a double-standard.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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bluey
I'm not even going to start with that one. I'm outta here. g'night and Kumbayah
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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I don't believe he holds any malice toward any race.
Malice is not the determinant or defining feature of racism. That is a simpleton's view, though admittedly one that is commonly held.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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bluering said Um, no. I was pointing out that national media goes into a frenzy when a rich white Jew says something racist, but ignores clearly violent rhetoric from minorities towards whites. Or when minority youths target certain ethnic groups for random knock-outs.
That's true...so long as you ignore all the media attention paid to that subject which is a classic trope of someone trying to not address an issue. Much like Christians claiming that America has become anti-Christian. There is no overwhelming media culture of anti-whiteness. Responding to Silver's remarks by getting upset about the lack of attention paid to anti-white rap lyrics is classic white guy defensiveness and nothing more.
Dave KOS posted You seem to be ... what's that word? ... deflecting a bit here.
I'm responding to your selective quip in kind. I already answered your question in my first response a page or two ago. I was pretty clear and I'm not going to getting baited into a rap music derail. Sorry.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Whoa, I don't hold malice towards any race/ethnicity in particular, or explicitly. Muslims are on my radar of late, for good reason. But I will admit only a small minority of Muslims are extremists.
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dirtbag
climber
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Why do the same small group of posters here always-ALWAYS-defend miserable fooks like sterling, Zimmerman, nugent, Bundy and the rest of the klan?
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Oppressed white man
Me so angry
Arrrgghhhhhhhghhhgghhggh
Life's real tough when you're white in Amurica eh?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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^^^ Hypoxia.
Because Dirtbag the air is thin under the sheet.
Bigger eye holes might help but Lawd all mighty knows they don't want a larger perspective.
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dirtbag
climber
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Bingo.
Anita--no one likes losing power.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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No these gals were not given the chop, don't worry - Pomona, Ca
A Southern Californian county will be wary of the religious rights of anyone they arrest after having to pay $45,000 in damages for violating the rights of a Muslim woman by making her remove her hijab or headscarf in public.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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Meanwhile, no word on how much excessive profit Bridgestone derived from the price fixing. What to do with Attorney Sterling, you say? Aren't those ticket prices fixed for all thirty teams?
Bridgestone Corporation pleaded guiilty to conspiring to fix the prices of rubber car parts. From 2001-2008, the company met with competitors to discuss splitting up the market for rubber parts (used to reduce vibrations). They then submitted false bids with inflated prices to auto makers such as Nissan and Toyota. This ensured that particular supplies won certain pieces of business.
This isn't the first time the company had been accused of such a crime. In 2011, Bridgestone pleaded guilty to conspiring to price fixing of marine hoses and other agreement. Back then, the company cooperated with investigators and therefore received a reduced penalty. Bridgestone did not do the same this time in the anti-vibration parts business, leading to an increased penalty.
The $425m fine will be reflected on Bridgestone's 2013 results.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Dave posted If we look at Sterling's actions from an ethical perspective and try to step away from the politically-charged aspects, it's reasonable to ask "what harm has he done by his actions?" Strictly speaking, all we know he did was attempt to deny a few people access to a game because of their race. Not cool, but hardly devastating to society. Of course his attitude suggests a pattern of this behavior and, given that he has money and influence, it's likely that he has done more significant harmful things for the wrong reasons. Reasonable speculation, but still speculation. We know that the court of public opinion has rather lenient rules for evidence, so there's enough to damn Sterling by that standard. If the NBA wants to take drastic action it's their business and I have no problem with it.
Not speculation actually. From the article I just linked above:
The Justice Department announced today the largest monetary payment ever obtained by the department in the settlement of a case alleging housing discrimination in the rental of apartments. Los Angeles apartment owner Donald T. Sterling has agreed to pay $2.725 million to settle allegations that he discriminated against African-Americans, Hispanics and families with children at apartment buildings he controls in Los Angeles.
Coates goes on to explain how housing discrimination is at the very foundation for so many of the "race related" problems Americans have such as why minorities are so much more likely to be poor, incarcerated or have a poor education. Rather the opposite of what you describe as not "devastating to society."
It's pretty clear that you don't actually care about what "personally offends" me. You are only seeking validation for what offends you. It's also clear you've already made up your mind as to what is, and is not, offensive. You certainly never asked for my "personal" input, and have already dismissed my concerns about what I do consider to be questionable behavior.
What personally offends you, apparently, is rap music. I'm sorry that you didn't feel that I went out of my way to ask your personal opinion on this matter on this open forum where you have a long history of having no problem expressing your opinion as you wish (as do we all). I will make sure to genuflect appropriately in the future. My point was that you seemed to be taking the position of someone who had nothing at stake by Sterling's comments and actions and thus a calloused view of the entire situation. These are your words:
Why are we even talking about racism anymore?
The Donald Sterling outrage is more about schadenfreude than it is about racial justice.
That does not sound to me like someone who has taken offense. In fact it sounds like someone who does not think this is much of an issue of race at all. So tell me, Dave. Why are we even talking about racism anymore?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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So, according to you (Dave), people are not actually upset that he's horribly racist they are just taking delight in the fall of a wealthy team owner? Or do you not understand what schadenfreude is? You are absolutely right that there are greater issues here vis a vis the NAACP lifetime achievement awards and the willingness of businessmen to continue to do business with horrible racists so long as they keep making money. But you didn't say that you said "why are we even talking about racism?" If you're looking for an opportunity to better articulate yourself then by all means do it but pretending that I'm "changing my story" by bringing easily found information to the discussion instead of dismissing that charges of his greater racism is "speculation" is incredibly hollow.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2014 - 01:39pm PT
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Ron says this issue has ZERO to do with any of us.
Ron has spoken.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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thus spoke Rong
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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I dunno about schadenfreude, but I love me some schniztel with krautwickel on the side. mmmmmmmmmm.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2014 - 01:43pm PT
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I love me some schniztel with krautwickel on the side. mmmmmmmmmm.
No sh#t eh? Bring on that German foody goodness!
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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bluey
Muslims are on my radar of late, for good reason. But I will admit only a small minority of Muslims are extremists. So are gun totin' anti-American white racist Patriots on your radar?
Muslims aren't, never have been and never will be on my radar. 99.99% of them are decent god respecting people. Oh yeah, they share their God with Jews and Christians. When Mohammed was on the run from his enemies he fled to Hebrew settlements in the mountains where they took him in and later joined him in battle against enemy tribes. At least one of his wives was Hebrew. I have a couple of Muslim friends and have worked with many. I'd trust all of them with my life. I wouldn't trust a couple of "Christians" I know.
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