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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 15, 2014 - 08:19pm PT
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Ron O. Not sure why you are so down on 7.62x39? Pinging 5" steel targets @ 200m my friends SKS was hitting just as many as my AR but knocking them with more athority farther off the stand. Then we broke out my .303 and the steel took a real beating. 5.56 tips em over. 7.62 short knocks em about a foot. 303 sends em flying ass over teakettle. sure seems like the 7.62X39 has more power than the 5.56? seems reasonably accurate @ 200m have not shot sks out beyond that in a controled setting.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 16, 2014 - 11:44am PT
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I won't argue that it has more power. I'd even admit that in a 200m firefight in a stand of bamboo or even relatively thin trees that the round would prove superior, but overall I have not invested much in the round because the 5.56mm has far more applications.
And of course it is far more portable, giving the user an advantage in a sustained action.
The cool thing about 7.62x39 is the throaty report. (Actually a useful facet since sometimes firefights are determined by "he who makes the most noise".)
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 16, 2014 - 09:13pm PT
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Don't get me wrong. I am totally happy with my AR but a few things I have noticed. shooting my 5" x 6" steel targets @ 420m up at my sisters farm I could hit the plates from prone w/ my backpack as a rest but they would not tip over. Did not have the Mk4 303 with me but doubt that I could see the plates at that distance without optics @ My age. No doubt that If I could see them I could hit them and they would go flying ass over teakettle.
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speelyei
Trad climber
Mohave County Arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 16, 2014 - 09:53pm PT
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New 1000 yd target, piece of scrap steel from salvage yard, suspended by pieces of chain from an axle made of steel tubing. Discarded 50gal drum makes for a stand/screen combo, since it's planted on public land. Carrying the components out to the spot was a good workout. Makes a nice loud PONG, and swings noticeably. I think it will hold up to my friends .50, too.
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speelyei
Trad climber
Mohave County Arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 16, 2014 - 10:05pm PT
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Another steel swinger made from scrap and crap. The disc is 3/8 mild steel, the frame is one of thousands left all over the desert by now defunct realty companies. Perfect for pistol and 100/200 yd rim fire.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 16, 2014 - 10:54pm PT
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Your targes look a tad too big? one of the biggest faults of IPSC when i was shooting it was the majority of the targets were too big.
obviously YMMV
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speelyei
Trad climber
Mohave County Arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 16, 2014 - 11:05pm PT
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The sizes are just what happened to be available at the scrap yard, they're not supposed to mimic any particular size or discipline.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 17, 2014 - 06:56am PT
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I notice that if the plates are too big I go too fast and get sloppy as hell. Then you run into a smaller target and you can't hit sh#t.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 17, 2014 - 09:20am PT
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Range Systems has a 25% off sale and I just got a heavy duty silhouette on a stand that deflects downward and has a red 5" COM inner target that flips back and resets.
Might even try it out today (sunny and 70s predicted).
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 17, 2014 - 02:01pm PT
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crappy phone photos
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 17, 2014 - 02:16pm PT
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Cool. I had tons of fun with reactive targets BINTD we had swingers. you hit a steel plate and it would knock a supporting post from under a weighted pendulum with a target on the top end of the pendulum. Floppers you hit a steel plate and the exposed target would flop over and dissapear as a 2nd target popped up. Another cool setup you hit the steel plate and the exposed weighted target falls in a spiral track that turns the target sideways as it falls. all of those targets required a lot of speed and accuracy for the follow up moveing target to be engaged. I generaly put a no shoot/hostage target on the moveing target leaveing only a small portion of the shoot target exposed forceing accurate shooting. Full size IPSC target is effin huge.....
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 17, 2014 - 02:19pm PT
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This thing is supposed to handle .50BMG
It weighs close to 200#, but disassembles into 60# or less.
I want to take it to the quarter mile range with my Remington .308
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 17, 2014 - 08:28pm PT
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sounds fun. I would love to try something like that with the Mk4
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Trusty Rusty
climber
Tahoe Area
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Feb 19, 2014 - 11:54pm PT
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CA Gun Rights Advocates:
Local pecker-heads are trying to shut down Chabot Gun Club shooting range for good, put in a dog walking park or some crap. Place is a stronghold for firearms training and has a great selection of ranges suitable for most all your arsenal. To lose this place would be a tragedy to the East Bay Area, but even worse, yet another feather in the cap of CA anti-gun ball lickers. Your signing this petition will help preserve Chabot Gun Club and make a statement to the local residents who've bought and built homes closer to the range and are now petitioning it to close:
http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/chabot-gun-club-safe?source=s.fwd&r_by=9998194
Or you can check out the club website and access the petitions from there:
http://chabotgunclub.com/
Thanks,
AT
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Bargainhunter
climber
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Feb 20, 2014 - 03:42am PT
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Agree with Trusty Rusty. That's a great range and if you happen to be in the Bay Area it's worth a visit. It'd be a shame if they closed it down. It's a safe place and great service to the community, kinda of a Bay Area fixture. I don't know of any nearby Bay Area ranges like it. It only takes a few seconds to sign the petition.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 24, 2014 - 09:21pm PT
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A truly fantastic day at the range. 70 degrees, no wind no clouds.
I spent 5 hours and for the first three I had the place to myself.
Shot nearly a thousand rounds at cans and the silhouette.
First a gumby with a 4 year old girl and a pellet rifle shows up and says, "I've only got this pellet rifle." and lowers it so that it is pointed right at me.
I'm not sure which of the 2 required more instruction.
Then 4 mexicans with a single 9mm and 2 clips shows up, but they at least kept their muzzle pointed down range. We got along since I knew "Alto fuego!" and "Comenzar".
When the light got low out came the PTR91 with a laser. That .308 handgun is LOUD. I shot a clip and looked over and they all had their hands on their ears and their mouths open.
They really liked the target, and so did I.
Center of the target hits sound different, even with a mere .22
And the .308 at 40 yards didn't hurt it, so I'm gonna get lots of mileage out of it.
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Anywhere I like
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Feb 24, 2014 - 11:07pm PT
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Any of you muzzeloader fans out thhere know the avereage value of an old Kentucky Long Rifle? A friend of mine has one that was passed down thru her family sitting in their living room, curious about the worth.
Cheers! and ka-blooey.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Feb 25, 2014 - 12:57am PT
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Today every citizen of Ukraine understands why our country has hundreds of thousands of policemen. Last illusions were crushed when riot police used rubber batons and boots at the Independence Square on peaceful citizens.
After such actions we realize that it is not enough to only adopt the Gun Law.
As of today Ukrainian Gun Owners Association will start to work on the preparation of amendments to the Constitution, which will provide an unconditional right for Ukrainian citizens to bear arms.
People should have the right to bear arms, which will be put in written into the Constitution.
Authorities should not and will not be stronger than its people!
Armed people are treated with respect!
http://zbroya.info/en/blog/2650_ukrainian-gun-owners-associations-official-statement/
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