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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 13, 2014 - 10:57pm PT
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Really though, i guess we should outlaw "ownership" of dogs and cats as well.
Just give 'em some time.
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 14, 2014 - 11:37am PT
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Chewybacca
Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
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Mar 14, 2014 - 03:59pm PT
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Karen, thanks for the updates and I commend you for not feeding the trolls. If one ignores them they will go elsewhere to get that attention they need so badly.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Mar 14, 2014 - 06:30pm PT
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Coz said: "....you guys have absolutely no answer or science behind what you're doing."
Science? Of course not, this is totally emotions. But I'm onboard, that crap has always made me uncomfortable, never took my family there. Went the circus once with them, felt the same way with a few acts. (ie, elephants and lions made to perform for money, forced to live a in a f*ed up environment totally non- native to them)
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cuvvy
Sport climber
arkansas
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Mar 16, 2014 - 09:48pm PT
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Ouch! Good one!
2nd grade was quite nice. Seems like just yesterday. Really wasn't that long ago.
I remember a trip to the zoo to see all the imprisoned animals.
I'm pretty sure I thought about that at the time. Why did they have to live like that?
But, it was a fun out of school adventure.
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2014 - 04:55pm PT
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Mar 17, 2014 - 05:48pm PT
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There is no science behind this...it hasn't been researched as far as I can tell. Someone would have to pay for that research generally, or perhaps a college student working on a masters or doctorate. But I can tell you that my kids and I feel we have learned more by watching videos like the BBC's Blue Planet and Planet Earth or National Geographic vids on various topics than going to Sea World. Even the Monterey Aquarium is a much better option. Kids just see cute animals at seaworld, whereas informational videos can (not always that is for sure) show much more of a creatures' lifestyle. Learning to respect nature is different than learning to be entertained by nature. So what I am saying is that the replacement for Sea World is already out there and has been for years; Wildlife videos. Educate yourself.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Mar 17, 2014 - 07:31pm PT
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Jeeze. I think it's obvious that Karen wants to willfully destroy the established method that teaches people that these animals are there to entertain us and to be screwed with. If you can't put yourself in the other persons shoes, you'll never understand what they are saying or where they are coming from. I'm saying that it has already been replaced by good wildlife video work. Show the kids the videos. Go to the aquarium. Done deal.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Mar 17, 2014 - 08:04pm PT
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skcreidc +1
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 18, 2014 - 10:16am PT
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skcreidc x3
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cuvvy
Sport climber
arkansas
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Mar 19, 2014 - 09:53am PT
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I suppose if you want to get rid of circuses, zoos, and ban humans from owning dogs, cats, turtles, birds, fish,etc, outlaw making dogs do tricks for treats, and the like, I could go along with your petition.Oh, and of course dog breeders who pump out unnecessary quantities of animals for profit. But, if youve got animals in captivity and a dog youve taught tricks for your amusement,im not buying into it.
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 21, 2014 - 10:43am PT
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ps... I like the new ron better
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 25, 2014 - 10:33am PT
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Meet the Lawmaker Behind the #SeaWorld10 Bill to End Orca Captivity
http://www.takepart.com/article/2014/03/24/meet-lawmaker-behind-seaworld10-bill-end-orca-captivity
"As for their second argument, I completely understand the economic value and jobs that SeaWorld provides. But I don’t think anybody would ever argue that we can justify jobs by supporting bad conduct. We can have disagreements about that, but there’s no intention whatsoever to do economic harm to SeaWorld. It’s a weak argument. They have a whole bunch of other exhibits and theme-park rides. Their business model doesn’t depend on orcas."
What can people inside or outside California do?
Anybody interested can contact legislators here. Of course, it’s most meaningful for legislators to hear from their own constituents. And it’s important to keep this debate civil. There’s been very uncivil discourse going on. This is an important topic, but one we can engage in civilly. A petition for the bill has upwards of 1.5 million online signatures. It’s heartwarming to know that a lot of folks are supporting this. Anything that even approaches that number is indicative of just how strong public sentiment is on this issue. I’ve done some things before that were pretty popular, but this really is on a far different level.
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 3, 2014 - 07:17pm PT
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Help Bring an End to Orca Captivity in California - Support AB 2140
http://www.congressweb.com/awi/44/thankyou?resultId=29DFE11A-CB34-6093-36DA75472F6679B6
Please call your Assembly member (but not other members) today with a brief, polite message urging them to support AB 2140! Assembly members can also be contacted by letter, fax, or email to let them know that protecting orcas is important to you.
The Orca Welfare and Safety Act (AB 2140) will receive its first hearing in the Committee on Water, Parks and Wildlife of the California State Assembly on Tuesday, April 8th at 9 a.m. Please attend to show your support for the bill and, if you wish, to speak up on its behalf. All those wishing to provide public comment in support of the bill will be allowed a chance to do so. You will only be required to state your name, any affiliation and your support for the bill.
(Room 437, Legislative Office Building, 1020 N Street, Sacramento, CA 95814). Please arrive early to secure your place in the room.
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