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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 19, 2013 - 01:27am PT
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Jim, most of your post was irrelevant and actually boggling.
Regarding your question, yes I am VERY happy with my presently affordable, low-co-pay, low-deductible, small-group plan. Sadly, it looks like it is soon to be canceled, forcing me and my employees onto the exchange where we can pay twice as much in premiums for a high-co-pay, high-deductible "plan".
"Affordable" under this "plan" is for a tiny subset of this nation. The rest will do no better, and many will do far worse.
Obamacare is a botch and needs to be replaced as quickly as can be legislated with something that fairly distributes costs and really is tied to something like purchases.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 19, 2013 - 01:30am PT
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So, Lois....
Where'd you come up with the 'J.Shiloh' avatar?
Edit: And welcome back!
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 19, 2013 - 01:53am PT
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Adapt or Perish.
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Degaine
climber
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Nov 19, 2013 - 05:04am PT
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madbolter wrote:
However, when my tax dollars go toward, say, a food stamps or subsidized health-care program, it is a MUCH harder case to make (certainly NOT an obvious one) that I in ANY way personally benefit from that "infrastructure."
In a universal healthcare system - single payer or mixed - everyone pays in and everyone benefits.
The economic case for a healthcare system - single payer or mixed - is easy to make, the US pays twice as much per capita as France and Germany, almost three times as Japan, yet has far worse overall outcomes.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Nov 19, 2013 - 07:58am PT
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Madbolter1, If all the working poor in this country were like you described,maybe you are on to something.
But ,you and yours believe that to be true,it is not.
Who is to take care of our elderly,the already diagnosed,the disabled?
These are the real factors,while you put up a decent argument for yourself,you disregard the true need.
This is the USA,there will be those who abuse the system,any system.
Redistribution.
Really,code for "not my problem".
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 19, 2013 - 10:04am PT
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Good morning Lois.:-)
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Nov 19, 2013 - 10:47am PT
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Drum beating kool aid beatniks copy and past the opinions
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Nov 19, 2013 - 11:03am PT
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Single payer system funded by a register tax sounds good to me too. It would be so much better than the ever escalating costs of private insurance we have now, and even people in the black market, those who don't report most of their income, will pay too every time they buy something.
I saw some video online yesterday about how a group of sex workers were having some kind of event signing people up for Obummercare. Based on their stated incomes, mid thirty thousands, their health care was going to be subsidized. I'd bet every dime I have they are under reporting their income, and if they reported their income they wouldn't be subsidized.
Obummercare, as is, increases the incentive to not report income and pay income taxes. A national sales, or register, tax to fund a single payer system would eliminate that incentive. Everyone who buys anything would help pay for health care.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Nov 19, 2013 - 11:15am PT
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a flat tax transfers the burden onto squarely only to poorest in the system who are most in need of the benefits of tax spending; not the scourage of tax paying
A sales, or register, tax would be a flat tax for sure, and regressive, but it might also be more politically palatable in that it would eliminate one's ability to lie about their income and thereby game the system for undeserved free or subsidized benefits.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 19, 2013 - 11:17am PT
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"... needs to be replaced as quickly as can be legislated with something that fairly distributes costs..."
GASP....
That's socialism!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 19, 2013 - 11:25am PT
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Our government has no qualms about controlling what we pay McDonalds' workers by refusing to raise the minimum wage...Why don't we apply that same logic of government interference to what a CEO can be payed..?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Nov 19, 2013 - 11:31am PT
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we should be grateful to CEOs
they are the Job Creators....
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 19, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
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How about you, Rongo?
Signed up yet?
C'mon...take some personal responsibility like a grown up...
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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Nov 19, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
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Hey locker-- i got through to the state site this am and FINALLY ready to go 1/1
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Nov 19, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
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Lawsuits more lawsuits part of the reason it ain't free nor will ever be free hbealthcare
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 19, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
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Obvious socialists and communist sympathizers.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Nov 19, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
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Apogee, Dirtbag, and Dr. F Politard zombie nutcases .....
I would feel like an idiot if werner spoke about me.
I would read werners coments and heed the advice!
he might rescue you then tell u how stupid u r
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Nov 19, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
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lol!
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Yeti
Trad climber
Ketchum, Idaho
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Nov 19, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
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Jim: You are both wise and compassionate. Thanks.
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