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apogee
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Jun 25, 2015 - 03:29pm PT
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You guys are sure bipolar about this whole issue.
The ACA is all about personal responsibility & keeping healthcare in the private, for-profit sector, just like you like stuff to be.
Hell, the whole damn program was Romney's idea.
And you still don't like it. What the hell is your problem?
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apogee
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Jun 25, 2015 - 03:30pm PT
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""the insurance industry was the big winner with the ACA" is one of the two big non-horsesh|t reasons to not like Obumblecare."
So we can agree, then, that the Public Option would have been a far better solution?
I'm good with that!
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Lassitude 33
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Jun 25, 2015 - 03:32pm PT
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* It didn't really "provide access to health insurance," since everybody already had access to health insurance; the issue was (and still is) cost.
Factually incorrect. Many, many people could not obtain health insurance, at any price, due to a "pre-existing condition." Mind you, these "pre-existing conditions" may range from something you might consider minor to severe problems.
If not for any other reason, and believe me there are others, the Affordable Health Care Act is vast improvement over the "market-based" situation that existed previously.
Conservatives actually proposed the format of the AHCA during the Clinton Administration. But, since a Democrat (and a black one at that) pushed it through, the outcry has never stopped.
I'd love to see the US join the developed world and institute a single payer system. But, that has little chance of happening anytime soon.
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 25, 2015 - 03:40pm PT
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 25, 2015 - 03:53pm PT
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"Many, many people could not obtain health insurance, at any price, due to a "pre-existing condition." Mind you, these "pre-existing conditions" may range from something you might consider minor to severe problems."
Soooooo true. I had coverage under an employer plan, and when that employment situation changed, we COBRA'ed for a while, then looked for a private plan. We got turned down...one of the reasons was a prior Rx medication for a minor skin condition.
A major life change resulted in seeking a private plan after the ACA, and I was able to get coverage...at a very similar rate to what I had been paying, with reasonable coverage.
Thanks, Obama & the SCOTUS!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 25, 2015 - 03:55pm PT
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I'm all for a national program but this thang was poorly written and very
poorly implemented. My brother has joined a LONG list of people who got
sucker-punched by a seemingly used car salesman sales pitch. To wit, and
my bro is no half-wit, these many people were not made aware that if their
income went over the upper limit they would get body slammed by the IRS
for the FULL amount of their tax break, NOT a pro-rated amount commensurate
with how much they went over the limit. How phukking stoopid and unfair
is that? So many people are in this boat that the IRS has suspended the
unleashing of the repayment hounds, no doubt at Obama's beseeching.
Stay tuned for the cover-up and the running around the burning bush.
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 25, 2015 - 04:06pm PT
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I have read all 3000+ pages of the ACA twice now
and I have to respectfully disagree
I believe it is very, very well written and crafted, especially given that the Dems had
less than a month to get it through congress and that was without a Dem majority in the
Senate involving the two Independents to join them
I believe any one who has actually carefully read the ACA would agree
now, if you are part of the intellectually gifted who voted Republican in 2007 while the economy was losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month and was in actual Recession after seven years of Repubs in control,
then of course you will think up a reason to "oppose" because that's what your party does
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 25, 2015 - 04:19pm PT
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Reilly
Is this what you are talking about? Or something else? I've heard some other folks complaining. Tax surcharge on real estate sales?
The Affordable Care Act (ACA) requires most Americans to have health insurance starting in 2014. People who don’t comply have to pay a penalty, the amount of which depends on several factors, including income and family size.
Groups Exempt from Penalty Tax
The following groups are not liable for the ACA penalty tax if they do not get adequate health insurance. The list does not include all groups who would not owe the tax.
1. Individuals with income below the income tax filing threshold
2. Individuals for whom the cost of getting health insurance (net of ACA subsidies) would exceed 8% of household income in 2014 (That percentage would rise in subsequent years if premium growth exceeds income growth.)
3. Individuals in states that did not accept the ACA’s Medicaid expansion who would have qualified for Medicaid under the expansion
4. Members of Indian tribes
5. Members of certain religious faiths
6. Members of a health care sharing ministry
7. Individuals not legally in the U.S. (undocumented aliens)
8. Incarcerated individuals
This “net investment tax” is an additional 3.8 percent tax levied on the sale of any asset that results in a capital gain as long as your adjusted gross income is over $200,000 for singles and $250,000 for married couples. This includes the sale of homes over a certain value.
In a report we published in February of this year, we outlined the effect of this tax plus the expiration of parts of the Bush Tax Cuts on marginal tax rates on capital gains.
On January 1st, 2013, the Senate passed H.R. 8, the American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012. Among a number of major changes to the tax code in 2013, America’s top capital gains tax rate increased from 15 percent to 20 percent. On top of this, the healthcare law introduced a 3.8 percent net investment tax. Combined with state and local taxes on capital gains, the average top marginal tax rate in the United States increased to 27.9 percent from 19.1 percent.
BTW apogee, though I must confess to hardly ever reading any of it, most everything you say, appears to be just a rehash of something already discussed. Look up rhetorical when you get some free time.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 25, 2015 - 05:28pm PT
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"most everything you say, appears to be just a rehash of something already discussed."
Ummm.....yeah.
That's because this horse has been beaten flat into road pizza.
If you don't know why Republicans have a problem with the ACA, well, there are plenty of their views in this single thread alone, let alone uncountable other similar threads.
Of course, if you aren't so inclined, asking that question (AGAIN) is the simplest, laziest way to find out why.
Or maybe I misunderstood your question?
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crankster
Trad climber
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Jun 25, 2015 - 05:41pm PT
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A proud day for the president and the nation. Millions will be able to afford health care. Of course, the Republican prez candidates are all expressing (fake) outrage, angry (fake) to appease the base, but privately happy they don't have to advance any ideas to improve or replace the law.
"For the first time in American history, it forced all Americans to take personal responsibility for their healthcare."
If only that were true. Actually it forced many tens of millions of Americans who were ALREADY doing that to then ADD ON the responsibility of millions who WERE NOT being responsible for it before.
Obumblecare didn't make "the poor" suddenly responsible. It forced the many to PAY FOR them in yet another expansive social program.
^^
Beneath contempt.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Jun 25, 2015 - 05:46pm PT
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Scalia is so stupid, they should revisit any criminal justice cases he did before he joined the Supremes.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 25, 2015 - 06:00pm PT
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Beneath contempt.
ROFL
You must think that putting millions more onto the Medicaid roles makes them suddenly "take responsibility for their own healthcare."
I'm so far beyond outraged at the state of this nation that our nation has become like a parody to me.
I give up. From now on, I laugh.
The land of the free and the home of the brave? Pffftttt, snort, guffaw.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Jun 25, 2015 - 06:26pm PT
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Outraged? Give up? Wow, I thought you were rolling on the floor laughing.
To you, people who can't afford heath care are irresponsible.
I'm happy you're outraged with the state of the nation. Something good must have happened.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jun 25, 2015 - 07:00pm PT
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 25, 2015 - 07:02pm PT
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Bwahahaha... yeah, the death of the rebumblecon party has been quite exaggerated!
I seem to remember a couple of years ago all the libs here in glee over the utter irrelevancy and upcoming death of the rebumblecons. And then here they just regained the Senate and made gains all up in da House.
Quite a butt-kickin' ol' Obumbleator put on 'em. LOL
Keep prognosticating, boys.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 25, 2015 - 07:07pm PT
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Or maybe I misunderstood your question?
Bingo. It was not a "real" question, just a rhetorical one. Go ahead look it up.
You'll prosper.
or from the legal world
"asked and answered"
"I'll withdraw the question"
"knew or should have known"
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jun 25, 2015 - 07:10pm PT
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And then here they just regained the Senate and made gains all up in da House.
The party of no is on the job.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 25, 2015 - 07:24pm PT
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WHAT about the Death Panels!!!
and you can't keep your Doctor!!!!
all lies
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 25, 2015 - 07:26pm PT
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Bwahahaha... yeah, the death of the rebumblecon party has been quite exaggerated!
oh, not on the local level in increasingly fewer states
but yes, on the National level, like being able to compete for the Presidency, yes, done
lost 4 of the last 5 popular vote margins, and got beat by huge margins in the one that
really counts, the Electoral College
so, yes, not exaggerated, and in fact predicted long ago
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 25, 2015 - 07:37pm PT
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Only thing that could make it even more enjoyable is if you end up posting that YOUR insurance premiums just went UP...
Special, just for you, Locker. One time only to put a spring in your step:
Overnight, our previous small-group policy at 90% copay and $1250 deductible went up 40.02%, with a doubled deductible and only 80% copay.
I feel so warm and fuzzy inside knowing that our intentionally lying community organizer didn't let me keep my doctor or insurance plan, but at least I got to pour yet MORE of my hard-earned money straight in the pockets of others.
Rob Peter to pay Paul, and you'll always have the support of Paul.
Okay, I'm braced, so let's hear it. Cheers all around! ;-)
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