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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jun 21, 2013 - 02:20am PT
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The secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant
"The Fisa court's oversight role has been referenced many times by Barack Obama and senior intelligence officials as they have sought to reassure the public about surveillance, but the procedures approved by the court have never before been publicly disclosed.
The top secret documents published today detail the circumstances in which data collected on US persons under the foreign intelligence authority must be destroyed, extensive steps analysts must take to try to check targets are outside the US, and reveals how US call records are used to help remove US citizens and residents from data collection.
However, alongside those provisions, the Fisa court-approved policies allow the NSA to:
• Keep data that could potentially contain details of US persons for up to five years;
• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;
• Preserve "foreign intelligence information" contained within attorney-client communications;
• Access the content of communications gathered from "U.S. based machine[s]" or phone numbers in order to establish if targets are located in the US, for the purposes of ceasing further surveillance.
The broad scope of the court orders, and the nature of the procedures set out in the documents, appear to clash with assurances from President Obama and senior intelligence officials that the NSA could not access Americans' call or email information without warrants."
The whole article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-nsa-without-warrant
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jun 21, 2013 - 11:10am PT
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"Asked about US surveillance programmes in an earlier interview with a Spanish technology news site, FayerWayer, Steve Wozniak said: "All these things about the constitution, that made us so good as people – they are kind of nothing.
"They are all dissolved with the Patriot Act. There are all these laws that just say 'we can secretly call anything terrorism and do anything we want, without the rights of courts to get in and say you are doing wrong things'. There's not even a free open court any more. Read the constitution. I don't know how this stuff happened. It's so clear what the constitution says."
He said he had been brought up to believe that "communist Russia was so bad because they followed their people, they snooped on them, they arrested them, they put them in secret prisons, they disappeared them – these kinds of things were part of Russia. We are getting more and more like that.""
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jun 21, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
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Seeing someone in the position of James Clapper - the Director of National Intelligence - baldly lying to the public without repercussion is the evidence of a subverted democracy.
Not just lying to the public but lying to Congress, which is supposed to oversee them! Why doesn't he go to jail instead? How would we know he was lying without a whistleblower. Kill the messenger? Screw that~! Even Clinton got impeached for lying to congress about a MUCH smaller issue
Peace
Karl
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abrams
Sport climber
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Jun 21, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
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Insider Threat Program June 2013
whats this?
President 'Leak Plugger's unprecedented initiative, known as the Insider
Threat Program gives the NSA authority to increase monitoring of all
communications to hunt down leakers.
"Hammer this fact home . . . leaking is tantamount to aiding the enemies
of the United States,” says a June 1, 2012, Defense Department
oberfurher on strategy for the program.
Requires federal employees to snitch on co-workers. Failure to do so is
now a crime and if the cubical worker across the aisle from you leaks to
the media you could go to jail for not catching him and alerting the
department manager.
So best not to talk to anyone in the office so you have plausible
deniability of not knowing anything, just like the administration.
You have stepped thru the looking glass when it makes perfect sense to get
jail time for not being a mind reader. What school teaches that course btw? Got to sign up.
Hey, let’s get people to snitch on their coworkers.
The only thing they haven’t done here is reward it,” said Kel McClanahan,
a Washington lawyer who specializes in national security law.
I’m waiting for the time when you turn in your manager and
get a $500 reward and take over his job with a higher salary.
Sweet!
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/20/194513/obamas-crackdown-views-leaks-as.html
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jun 22, 2013 - 04:00am PT
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Signed.
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Bargainhunter
climber
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Jun 22, 2013 - 04:19am PT
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Signed it too. Think it will make a difference if millions sign it?
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jun 22, 2013 - 10:09am PT
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"British spy agency collects and stores vast quantities of global email messages, Facebook posts, internet histories and calls, and shares them with NSA, latest documents from Edward Snowden reveal"
"The Americans were given guidelines for its use, but were told in legal briefings by GCHQ lawyers: "We have a light oversight regime compared with the US".
When it came to judging the necessity and proportionality of what they were allowed to look for, would-be American users were told it was "your call".
The Guardian understands that a total of 850,000 (?) NSA employees and US private contractors with top secret clearance had access to GCHQ databases.
The documents reveal that by last year GCHQ was handling 600m "telephone events" each day, had tapped more than 200 fibre-optic cables and was able to process data from at least 46 of them at a time."
The article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communications-nsa
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nah000
climber
canuckistan
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
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in case there is any doubt about obama's "evolution." this is from 2007:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
obama now equates secret courts making sweeping decisions affecting millions of americans with "transparency." and that's only to focus on what has been confirmed.
i apologize, in advance, for the following rant directed at the american citizen who assumes, without trial, what their gov't tells them: that snowden is a "traitor." my problem is, i have found the u.s. to be such an incredible and inspirational country with regard to much of its history, its land and its people, that it's hard to not have a fair bit of vitriol when it comes to commenting on the path american leaders have led the american public down post 9/11.
<rant>
i read a der spiegel editorialist who made the following obvious but important point within this context: "The US is, for the time being, the only global power -- and as such it is the only truly sovereign state in existence. All others are dependent -- either as enemies or allies."
if you believe that the head of the current u.s. corporatocracy is concerned about this leak because its spying capabilities were exposed to either china, or europe, or even "al queda" you are being played for a fool.
we now have confirmation that the nsa is working hand in hand with the u.k.'s gchq, and it doesn't take a genius to figure out that there are a lot of other western powers on the same list of cooperating intelligence gatherers [including canada's].
if you don't think the chinese elite knew about what the nsa was capable of, again, wake the f*#k up. china had what was thought to be the largest and most sophisticated state wide censorship and spying infrastructure on the planet. the only reason i put that in the past tense, is because it turns out the u.s. is giving them a real run for their money for the title of "largest and most sophisticated."
and i guarantee osama, et al weren't going to the trouble of using memory keys and runners, because they underestimated the capabilities of the u.s. military/intelligence complex.
no, the primary reason obama, et al are going and will go after snowden with every tool in their toolbox [smear campaigns, legal and possibly even extra legal methods] is that he exposed this to the american public.
because, at this point, the ONLY viable threat to the ruling power structure of the world's sole superpower, is you: the american public.
and while i hate to channel my inner palin, if you think that the bush/obama "led" empire's primary concern is main street, just look at who got bailed out and is already prospering, and who didn't and is still paying for the most recent crisis.
if the american public shoots the messenger and allows snowden to go down, you will prove deserving of everything that is being done to you and will continue to be done to you.
and if the above doesn't make any sense to you, it's okay, just repeat after me:
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
</rant>
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jun 22, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
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NWO: Wow! healyje signed a petition to have Snowden pardoned? Is this correct?
You really don't follow along very well...
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 22, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
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There's a BIG facility just completed in Colorado who's sole purpose is to capture EVERY electronic communication in the nation.
All phone calls, Emails, IMs, Videos, Skype, data transfers,
and archive them for at least four years.
Are you really ok with that?
Only an out and out Fascist, Communist or some other form of totalitarian would be.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 22, 2013 - 10:53pm PT
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This facility was built completely under King Barry's reign.
He didn't stop it did he?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jun 23, 2013 - 01:35am PT
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TGT: This facility was built completely under King Barry's reign. He didn't stop it did he?
This is a BushCo facility and Obama had no power to stop its construction other than not signing intelligence appropriation bills. We've been over all this ground already.
NWO: Why do you hate America, Joe? North Korea will gladly take you in.
Dude, you have such a weak grasp on what America, Communism, and Fascism 'are' that you probably shouldn't get in over your head with North Korea. I will say, however, I'm beginning to detect a few similarities between you and Kim Jong-un (other than the fact Jong-un is clearly better educated).
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 23, 2013 - 11:36am PT
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So do you support the security state and the collection of a dossier of every American's digital life?
A simple yes or no will do.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Jun 23, 2013 - 12:06pm PT
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Snowden is apparently in Mother Russia now...
Of course--where all true blue American patriots and whistle blowers go.
Curt
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jun 23, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
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Riley
Look into the mirror and breath calmly...
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