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BLUEBLOCR
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joshua tree
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Sep 10, 2012 - 11:38pm PT
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I didnt think u could answer a question
But I'm sure havin fun!
HAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHAAAABB
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Sep 10, 2012 - 11:51pm PT
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Add Mr. E (for his negation of "absolutes" which is meaningless; a meaningless suck-up?), Blue and this Splitter guy (for their puerile adherence to a bronze age understanding of how the world works) to the confederacy of dunces.
Look no further than this site to represent the scientific, historical and theological illteracy that plagues this American culture.
The U.S. - 30th in math and science literacy - yeah I can believe it.
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Splitter, you wouldn't be Trip-7 reincarnate, would you? or his other alias? or perhaps Illusion Dweller or Truth Dweller? How pathetic, really.
Please, head to your Christian myth thread and leave this one to the atheists - many of whom would like to engage in modern, meaningful discourse about what lies beyond traditions of old.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 10, 2012 - 11:54pm PT
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Werner, What if U live in the East?
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jstan
climber
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Sep 10, 2012 - 11:58pm PT
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The sun rises in the east and never anywhere else.
Absolutely since the beginning .......
Not so fast.
The earth's axis of rotation actually wobbles sufficiently to move true north around by miles. So the sun does not always rise absolutely the same.
And then if the moon were formed by Theia, the possible change would have been considerably larger.
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MisterE
Social climber
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Sep 10, 2012 - 11:59pm PT
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Yay! I made the Toole's List by HFC!
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 11, 2012 - 12:02am PT
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Absolutely always rises in the east ......
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Sep 11, 2012 - 12:07am PT
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made the Toole's List
Sorry, dude, but I gotta call it as I see it.
Just shows how religions make a mess of things. Even amongst folks who might otherwise get along (while climbing or whatever).
But your interference is just that - interference.
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I joined the board of TruthMarket because we skeptics need to be more active in calling people out on their B.S. You can participate too.
a Michael Shermer tweet today
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Sep 11, 2012 - 12:12am PT
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HFCS - The U.S. 30th in math and science literacy .
So, we shove more math and science down the throats of our youth and whatt will that produce (btw, i am not saying that we should not increase s&m literacy, i also would personally encourage it)...but, what would that accomplish in regards to what the Dali Lama suggested in regards to what mankind(as a whole) is lacking?
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religions make a mess of things.
I wholeheartedly agree!
But, for instance, Russia, or China, or N Korea'or any number of other non religious countries or super powers suddenly decide to make a power move (which i believe is imminent)...what does "religion" have to do with this?
please head to your Christian myth thread...
d00d, just feeding you some food for thought. do we pose a threat to your wishy washy musings? plus, you continually bring up our foundations in JC as being at the center of all that's wrong with the world? do you knott expect us to respond/defend ourselves? you are constantly instigating it with your flagrant and demeaning chatter!
HFCF - What a Hypocrite, you have 15+ posts over on the "Christian thread"/I Like The Christian Life. If the conversation suddenly shifted there you would be one of the first ones to follow it.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 11, 2012 - 12:28am PT
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suddenly decide to make a power move
Suddenly?
LOL
Everyone has been busy doing that for years .....
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 11, 2012 - 12:48am PT
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Why mention the word “God” if God does not exist?
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Sep 11, 2012 - 12:57am PT
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werner's not going to burn in hell, unlike the atheists
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 11, 2012 - 01:00am PT
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Fruity,
U havnt been listening. Ours is the Truth of Man, and The Spirit of Mankind. Old? Yes!
We've been around Forever!
Help me now..
Yours is a belief in evolution. Where u appeared so u are? Is that right? I'm just trying to get it straight in my head. So when u were born u achieved consciousness? When ur body dies,
Your consciousness ?
Burns out ?
Jus Sad
BB
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MisterE
Social climber
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Sep 11, 2012 - 01:11am PT
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I would just like to point out how simple and succinct the Atheists responses have been, and yet the thread has been over-run by those chest-beating, angsting and ripping away at each other about their beliefs - as if repetition will somehow convert.
Stay simple, my friends. It is the others, those insecure in their own beliefs, that create the chaos in their own minds, and try to engage...
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 11, 2012 - 01:19am PT
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Ur RIGHT E, I'll humble myself before the Lord....
Today!
But tomorrow I might be bold again?
Jus humbl'in
BB
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Sep 11, 2012 - 01:43am PT
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MisterE.
I have a total of 7 posts on this thread of 440 posts. My first post was to correct Norton's statement/claim that coccyx "has no use whatsoever"! That was a false statement, so I corrected it. And he (Norton) acknowledged it. I followed up with a few more posts in regards to some remarks that were directed at me. Not trying to convert anyone, they have already chose their path and are set in there ways, I simply corrected an error, and responded to a remark an inflamatory remark directed at me via HFCF!
Adios!
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 11, 2012 - 02:03am PT
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"...and I'll never rise in the west never again. Amen."
Sol's penance.
Never in the west, always in the east? We got that much out of tonight?
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slayton
Trad climber
Here and There
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Sep 11, 2012 - 02:56am PT
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Why should we be moral if we are just accidents descended from animals? We don't expect cat's and dogs, lions and tigers, etc.
First, we are animals. Second, we're not "accidents descended from animal" but a species, like any other living today, that evolved into what it is. Morals themselves are an evolutionary construct. Being human we are social animals. We live amongst oneanother and our very survival as a species depends on us cooperating. "Morals" are the unwritten law that describes how we behave in a society towards oneanother to the benefit of all. "Morals" existed long before they were codified in the Bible or any other religious text. We don't need the Bible to tell us right from wrong. We already know.
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jstan
climber
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Sep 11, 2012 - 12:06pm PT
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All matters human involve shocking diversity. This is not to say all that diversity is desirable. Indeed it is not. Unfortunately absence of knowledge can be corrected only by correcting our system of education and an enduring economic crunch that also corrects parents' priorities.
People seeking attention, any attention, do exist. Not providing the desired attention is a strategy that recommends itself.
Seems to me.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Sep 11, 2012 - 01:00pm PT
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Another reason I like the atheistic perspective is because it's (way) more inclined to see how the world works from an evolutionary ecological perspective.
For instance, jstan references afore the "enduring economic crunch" - presumably the one we and the rest of the world are currently experiencing.
To hear today's politicans tell it (yes, and plenty of others, too), it's due to taxing too little or too much, government inefficiencies, government interferences and/or people not doing their fair share.
But from an "evolutionary ecological perspective" the reasons are, well... evolutionary... and ecological... In short, we've been fruitful, and we've mulitplied, to fill all four corners of the earth. There's no more new continents to discover and to tame and exploit. All the cheap, abundant fossil fuels of yesterday that empowered the industrial age have been burned, and now our collective egos and greed are about to have to compete as never before for the last remaining quantities. By necessity, we are often curtailed if not overwhelmed with mega-regulations, ever more regulations, essential to complex societies. So, really, how can we expect to continue to grow at certain scales under such circumstances. Ecologically, it is unrealistic; yet on many levels we expect it. Who can stand the truth? Who can stand up for the truth? What's more, cultures around the world all bought into this American standard (if not the American dream) to fight tooth and nail against aging to live as long as you can. To 90 or 100 years old, that's how we define our success even though the last 20 years might be spent in a nursing home at $600 / day and consume hundreds of thousands of family equity. Anything to stay alive for as long as you can no matter what. And of course there are plenty more factors or reasons that could be cited as well to explain the stagnancy or the crunch - few to none having to do with just-right taxation rates, community chests too large or too small, government inefficiencies or regulations, or the content of today's political talk.
Of course we all hope these "culture wars" of today's America (the bulk of which appears to be working itself out in some measure in media and internet forums) don't at some point manifest themselves like they did bitd, and spread to the streets and fields. (Recall Sarajevo of yesteryear or Syria today.) But if they ever do while I'm still alive you can bet I'll be seeing things along with strategizing not from any Bible chapter and verse (*) but from the evolutionary ecological perspective as revealed by the sciences. Hallelujah for that.
* Although "Be fruitful and multiply, sayeth the Lord" in times of war could be good strategy for a community or tribe or nation. The Bates and Duggar families come to mind, here. Good Christians soldiers, all of them, they appear to be.
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Cool video there, Marlow.
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